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<p>Make this point crystal clear in your application. You will be branded as a likely pre-med wanna-be. Emphasize the engineering aspects of your application, and you should be fine. Best of luck. Post here once you get your ED results back.</p>
<p>For Penn, an article from a few years ago: <a href=“Quaker legacy provides a leg up | The Daily Pennsylvanian”>Quaker legacy provides a leg up | The Daily Pennsylvanian;
<p>Namely, over 10% of the entering class was legacies and of the legacies who applied ED, 40% were admitted. Legacies admitted during RD had no advantage.</p>
<p>This past year, 1100 students were admitted to Penn ED out of 4800 who applied, that’s a 22.9% acceptance rate ED. If we use the numbers in the article, that around 10% of each Penn class are legacies, that would be 10% of 2421 for last year, that’s 240 legacies. Assume 90% of legacies apply ED, that’s 216. 216 out of 1100 is just under 20% of accepted ED applicants are legacies.</p>
<p>Back-checking, if those 216 were 40% of the legacies applied, that would be 540 legacies applied. 4800 - 540 = 4260. So we have 884 / 4260 acceptance of non-legacies = just over 20%. That would still be better, but I’m not sure about how many are athlete recruits. Football alone could have 25, and there are 30 other varsity sports, most around 5 recruited per year = 150 + 25 = 175 accepted ED applicants on average. Acceptance would be very high for athletes as most would have pre-reads by admissions.</p>
<p>Now we have 884 - 175 = 709 / (4260 - 175) = 17.4% acceptance rate for non-legacy non-recruited athlete. Still pretty good, given an RD acceptance rate of 9.9%.</p>
<p>(of the other Penn alumni I know who have kids graduating HS in 2015, their kids either won’t apply to Penn at all or will apply ED. I know no alumni who has a child who doesn’t get that if they want Penn, they better apply ED.)</p>
<p>This is silly</p>
<p>What is silly? @rhandco’s analysis? I think that’s a pretty decent approach to get a sense for the ED bump for a non-legacy. </p>
<p>@manas1997 What? Please don’t post on forums if you don’t have anything constructive.</p>
<p>@rhandco…And wow, this is a shocker to me. Lucky legacy kids. But at least the chances are still higher during ED, right? Better than nothing…still you are right. I should do what makes me happy, not what has the best chance of a positive result, if I won’t be 100% happy with it.</p>
<p>@lb43823 why don’t you do your own research?</p>
<p>@mobius911 I find it silly that he has to ask about HIS preferences, if you like Cornell apply ED, simple as that, he is too focused on getting into a top school than seeing what’s the best fit.</p>
<p>@ib43823 I think you should do both Columbia ED and MIT EA, by doing this you are hedging you chances.
Read this thread to assuage your concerns <a href=“If You Score a 2300+, You Have a 99% Admit Chance at HYPM - Applying to College - College Confidential Forums”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/417447-if-you-score-a-2300-you-have-a-99-admit-chance-at-hypm.html</a> </p>
<p>It basically states that high stat kids like you have a very high chance of acceptance if you apply to every ivy. </p>
<p>@manas1997 It isn’t that man…I know where I want to go. But you have to think what if I don’t get in. I wouldn’t feel good going to a state school. I want to go EA to MIT, but unlike you perhaps, I cannot act spontaneously without thinking about the consequences of such an action. I would obviously prefer a top tier school over a state school, as would most people. If I had such a high chance of not getting in, I would be willing to give up my dream and at least go to another school that perhaps isn’t my number one choice, but definitely not my last one! You have to weigh these things. I know the best fit for me is MIT, I love that school, but what if, just like 92% of applicants, I don’t get in? Then what?</p>
<p>@CollegeGoer789 That is a damn good comforter, for literally any kid…but I have my doubts sort of. I feel like I need to reconfirm those stats for myself, because I am just that much OCD 
:P</p>
<p>MIT- Don’t apply early…it doesnt increase your chance too much; RD: 15%
Columbia- consider applying early; RD: 35% and ED: 50%
UChicago- imo don’t apply early; RD: 30%
Penn- consider applying early if u love the school but u can get in RD; RD: 45% and ED: 65%
Cornell- consider applying early if u love the school but u can get in RD; RD: 50% and ED: 70%
Brown- consider applying early if u love the school but u can get in RD; RD: 45% and ED: 65%
Dartmotuh- consider applying early if u love the school but u can get in RD; RD: 55% and ED: 75%
JHU- dont apply early, you can get in; RD: 65%</p>
<p>CHANCE ME BACK PLEASE: <a href=“http://talk.qa.collegeconfidential.com/what-my-chances/1673885-chance-me-northwestern-duke-wustl-upenn-jhu-usc-ucla-berkeley-u-of-washington.html#latest”>http://talk.qa.collegeconfidential.com/what-my-chances/1673885-chance-me-northwestern-duke-wustl-upenn-jhu-usc-ucla-berkeley-u-of-washington.html#latest</a></p>
<p>:P </p>
<p>That link that collegegoer put up is very old (2007). The admissions game has changed a lot since then. I know many students from HS who scored 35/2300 who were rejected from HYPSM, and I know quite a few who scored lower and were accepted. These days, numbers and course rigor are only the prequisites. Everything else goes down to essays, ECs and recommendations, as well as connections (legacy and athlete). </p>
<p>@Classof2018app I am most definitely not assuming to get in. I really do think it’s sort of a crapshoot at times…</p>
<p>I’d say MIT ea, you’d be very competitive for it</p>
<p>Yea the link is old and the math is pretty bad. However, one should note that the chance of a 3.9+ and 2300+ student getting into at least one ivy league is pretty descent. I’d wager that number hovers above 50%, that is if one were to apply to every ivy (I know nonsensical) but it is possible if someone is that desperate.</p>
<p>First, that thread on 99+% chance of getting into at least one Ivy if you have 2300+ SAT scores is very interesting, although some of the posts are arguing about getting into ALL Ivies. The latter requires people who apply to ALL Ivies, and I have to say that’s only a very few, more now since Questbridge allows students to apply to eight schools total, and you can pick the eight Ivies.</p>
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<li>as for stat issues - entrance to the Ivies could be considered independent, as in, they are different schools and have different “secret admissions criteria” that we aren’t aware of, - or, we could consider acceptance to an Ivy as partially dependent, not on each other, but dependent on the same independent variables to some extent. So, if you do get into HYP, one would suspect your chance at getting into other Ivies is pretty good. However, if you are assuming at least one Ivy is good enough, you are really looking at perhaps 10% getting into HYP, and then the other 90% getting in to one of the ‘other’ Ivies.</li>
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<p>For example - Penn has 660 V, 690 M, and 670 W as their 25th percentile SAT scores. That’s 2020 total. 75th percentile is 750 V, 780 M, and 770 W, which is exactly 2300. It stands to reason that if you have 2300 on your SAT, you are equal to or better than 75% of the admitted Penn students.</p>
<p>This is where I got the numbers from, and you can get it for other schools:
<a href=“University of Pennsylvania Admissions Statistics and Chances | Parchment - College admissions predictions.”>University of Pennsylvania Admissions Statistics and Chances | Parchment - College admissions predictions.;
<p>I agree 100% to apply to the most logical combination, not just your first few choices only. Don’t apply anywhere you wouldn’t attend even if you got a free ride.</p>
<p>My son may end up at a state school - I teach at one, and he can go for free tuition so if he tanks senior year (or if we get into financial trouble), he’ll end up there. But in reality, if he buckles down and does well there, he can transfer to a better school and get a degree from the better school. No one’s degree says “was a transfer”. We hope he starts “at the right place” but when you start factoring in money and that the state school has a decent honors program, it’s unclear what the right place is.</p>
<p>For my son, he will likely apply ED to an Ivy, ED II to his second choice if he didn’t get in, then apply to four or five other schools if he got into neither. The aforementioned state school is listed by Parchment as a 99% chance of him getting in, not taking into account that I work there.</p>
<p>I feel like knowing earlier about where he will go, if all works out, will be best. Or even knowing if he will have to “settle”.</p>
<p>Please also realize that if you are an excellent candidate who only applies to a few schools and gets extremely unlucky as in not getting into any even RD, you will NOT have trouble getting into decent schools or okay schools with good honors programs even past the RD deadlines. My brother got into a very good (not top or Ivy, but very good) engineering school the July after he graduated, and there are many more cases.</p>
<p>The only issue with getting into a school after RD is over is getting in soon enough to get a dorm room and participate in any summer pre-freshman programs. It would not be the end of the world.</p>
<p>@lb43823 I would apply EA to MIT, U Chicago, Caltech, and any other nonrestrictive EA school you can find. Just based on your post, it sounds like you would regret not going to MIT if you got into Columbia ED, and you would forever wonder what could have happened if you’d gone to MIT. Go to the school that you want to go to. Sure, going ED gives you a boost, but is the boost worth it? It seems you have your heart set on MIT.</p>