<p>^^ Cayuga, you sound like an 85 year old lol</p>
<p>Sorry, but Ithaca itself is no attraction to me. I never said that that would play any deciding factor in my college applications though. The fact that 13,000 or so students stay on campus on a day to day business is unique in its own right, just like the university in the middle of an urban city where students never want to stay on campus. Personally, I like the idea of staying on campus year-long as long as other people want to/have to as well. You get to know people; it becomes a community where people appreciate where they are, rain or shine or snow.</p>
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<p>In Cornell's case, the appreciation tends to come after you leave the place for a lot of students as they are too busy to take a deep breath. But a decent minority live it up during their time in Ithaca as well.</p>
<p>For that chart, the values should be given in percentages. Schools like Cornell and UPenn have a helluva lot of more kids than the other ones.</p>
<p>EDIT: I'm not denying the fact that Cornell, as well as Columbia and Princeton, have better engineering programs.</p>
<p>Whahaha... Ivy for engineering? Now that is funny!</p>
<p>Do yourself a favor and at least shoot for programs that are at the top of their game:</p>
<p>MIT, Caltech, Harvey Mudd, Olin, Stanford, UC Berkeley, Cornell (okay, an Ivy)...</p>
<p>I would not hire an engineer from Harvard...if Harvard even has an engineering program.</p>
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<p>MIT, Caltech, Harvey Mudd, Olin, Stanford, UC Berkeley, Cornell (okay, an Ivy)...
I'm already shooting for more than half of those. If you had read some posts you'd see that I'm not aiming for an Ivy for engineering :)
I just wanted to filter out the Ivies that wouldn't be...conducive to undergrad engineering. That's a primo list of engineering schools though, and I have a reason to apply or not to apply to each of those, but it's good to see I'm on the right track.</p>
<p>And I wouldn't hire an engineer from Harvard either. Or Yale.</p>
<p>The US News rankings look right.</p>
<p>shirker, there is a gap between engineering research that is on the cutting edge of engineering knowledge and research that is ready to be brought for industry.</p>
<p>princeton engineering tends to be more "cutting edge" (far out there), michigan by contrast is more industry-tied. MIT straddles both in an amazing way--for example your class projects might actually be presenting to boeing or GE.</p>
<p>all depends what you are going for.</p>
<p>The 25th and 75th percentile math SATs for Cornell engineering are 720-800.</p>
<p>The percent of students with math SATs of 800 is actually greater than 25%.</p>
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<p>Why not? In engineering, they're ranked in the 30's according to USNews. That's better then the vast majority of engineering programs out there, for which there are literally hundreds.</p>
<p>If you won't hire from Harvard or Yale, then that also means that you wouldn't hire from most engineering programs, simply because most engineers went to relatively low-ranked programs. That's a pretty arrogant statement, don't you think?</p>
<p>Also, Yale engineering has one of the best student/faculty ratios in the country (it's 1:1 I believe). This would serve as a great undergrad experience in my opinion.</p>
<p>Harvard's engineering program, on the other hand, is terrible. The closest thing they offer to engineering is a major called "engineering science." At least Yale offers legitimate engineering majors.</p>
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I didn't make that statement based on the school's engineering program rank. Not at all. It just does not seem to me that Harvard or Yale, in this example, are what you would consider "engineering schools", for the fact alone that they are much, much more as primarily liberal arts institutions. This is just my opinion, but a student who truly wants to go to Harvard for engineering has a completely different mindset and focus than a similar student who wants to go to Carnegie Mellon, or one of the various Institutes of Technology. I'm not trying to rule out a school based on its ranking, but consider as a whole the aim of the students at that school.</p>
<p>^^ Well that's just depressing. What if a talented student just hated the institutes of technology or similar schools, and found the best "fit" at Harvard or Yale? Would you still consider punishing them for that choice? What if Harvard and Yale were the best financial options (which is actually really likely with their phenomenal Financial Aid; they've become cheaper than state schools in many cases).</p>
<p>It's not fair or even logical to completely judge a student by her institution. You don't seem to be a very open-minded recruiter, and I wouldn't want to work for you.</p>
<p>Nobody, even in the engineering world, would ever look down on a Yale or Harvard degree.</p>
<p>The basis of any point I'm making is that Harvard does not have an engineering program. Sure, it has engineering science, but it's not..what you would consider an engineering major. In my view, I have only been considering Harvard, which I am obviously biased against as it is not an engineering school, regardless of any other factors. Hence, would you want to hire a student who goes to Harvard specifically for engineering, which is essentially nonexistent there? </p>
<p>rd31, your points are absolutely valid, but a student at Harvard specifically for engineering is already out of place, IMO, other majors/interests notwithstanding. That may very well just be my bias, but it's the crux of what I am saying pertaining to Harvard.</p>
<p>Brown man, I agree with you as I wouldn't look down upon a Yale or Harvard degree in any field. If I was not and am not trying to convey that message.</p>
<p>^^ Well, just for your information, Yale does have legitimate engineering disciplines (not simply Engineering Science).</p>
<p>And I was incorrect for associating Yale with Harvard in terms of the programs they offer. Yale has majors programs in the core engineering disciplines, and I am not at all contesting Yale's legitimacy as an engineering school. I was mistaken for even mentioning it, as I only had Harvard in mind.</p>
<p>^^ Yea.. i think we're being to harsh on this kid lol... we're being tough on him because he put Yale/Harvard down. oooo lol. </p>
<p>That being said... I fully agree that Harvard's engineering program (or should I say, engineering science major?) is garbage. I don't even know how it is ranked that high (30?) because any university that offers real engineering majors is better than Harvard for engineering.</p>
<p>Maybe not "look down" -- but when compared to peer + tier 1 institutions, they would probably give preference to the competition -- provided they had real engineering disciplines of greater rigor than the aforementioned...</p>
<p>anyway you can go to harvard and cross-register courses at MIT right?</p>