<p>Could we keep the discussion as civil as possible please? I don't see why people are accusing politicians of low-blows when their presumably intelligent supporters can't help themselves.</p>
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I was reading the newspaper this morning and there was a huge article (in a liberal paper...strange)
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<p>When are people going to learn that there is more to a candidate than liberal vs. conservative? Views aren't black and white, neither are people. </p>
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Consider the fact that the world tour was basically a premature victory trip.
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<p>There is a difference between fact and opinion...</p>
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<p>You know... I actually have yet to hear that outside of Fox News. Anyways, what's wrong with trying to improve relations with our allies? The world hates us for the most part and what happens if we actually need their help. I give Obama major props for trying to improve our image.</p>
<p>ahh i thought "the one" was hilarious. </p>
<p>and if you thought it helps obama...then you were already an obama voter to begin with.</p>
<p>it just emphasizes that people are voting for the spiritual/"feel-good" aspects of obama, not any of his issues...</p>
<p>however, i do agree that mccain needed to put more stuff about what he stands for.</p>
<p>finally, i think these ads have gotten a lot of attention for McCain which he wasn't getting the last few weeks. Most of my friends believe that "obama has already won" (literally thinking he was 70-30 in states!)...it's really a closer race than it seems/the media is trying to make it seem. ever since super tuesday, obama has been the winner; even when hilary was neck and neck</p>
<p>"When are people going to learn that there is more to a candidate than liberal vs. conservative? Views aren't black and white, neither are people."</p>
<p>Liberal as in supports Obama more than McCain. In fact, I used the incorrect word completely, thank you. The paper flat-out supports Obama, so it was a surprise that they would mention the change in opinion in the manner they did.</p>
<p>"There is a difference between fact and opinion..."</p>
<p>Right. My opinion is that speaking in front of 200,000 people in a foreign country while having no authority to make related foreign policy decisions whatsoever, before one is even elected to a position to which this authority is given, would be "arrogant." That's my opinion. I don't think it's an unreasonable one. At best, he's trying to repair our relations with Germany BEFORE he's elected president (demonstrating that he has great confidence that he'll win anyway...). Again, my opinion.</p>
<p>That being said, comparing your own campaign as a fight against Hitler is...interesting, to say the least.</p>
<p>"You know... I actually have yet to hear that outside of Fox News. Anyways, what's wrong with trying to improve relations with our allies? The world hates us for the most part and what happens if we actually need their help. I give Obama major props for trying to improve our image."</p>
<p>Here's a site that supports Obama but still concedes that the tour was somewhat arrogant: Obama’s</a> Berlin Speech: Arrogant or Case Making? : TeresaCentric</p>
<p>True, true. The relevance of the trip if he doesn't win is what?</p>
<p>P.S.: Fox News =/= the anti-christ. Not that I watch it anyway. CNN has better election coverage.</p>
<p>Oh, CNN's article on Obama's shifting views on off-shore drilling: CNN</a> Political Ticker: All politics, all the time Blog Archive - Obama shifts on oil drilling? « - Blogs from CNN.com</p>
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<p>On the contrary, I love Fox News. I watch it all the time. I always need some comedic relief :).</p>
<p>"On the contrary, I love Fox News. I watch it all the time. I always need some comedic relief ."</p>
<p>Fox News reporting =/= terrible reporting. Fox News Editorials = conservatively biased. As long as the bias is known, everything can be taken with that in mind.</p>
<p>But this is another debate, albeit a very amusing one. :P</p>
<p>^ Lol. I think the best thing I've ever heard out of Fox News is that "Vegetarians are vegetarians because their parents taught them bad table manners." I thought she was kidding, she was not. </p>
<p>Ok, back to the original topic.</p>
<p>"^ Lol. I think the best thing I've ever heard out of Fox News is that "Vegetarians are vegetarians because their parents taught them bad table manners." I thought she was kidding, she was not"</p>
<p>ROFLMAO. That is great, actually.</p>
<p>Anyway, there are already like three threads about this. Anyway, I'm basically done with this discussion. McCain: "I'm a war hero! Barack Obama is arrogant! Taxes!"</p>
<p>Obama: "Change! Hope! We can do it! Wewewewewewe! Bush and old white guys=bad!"</p>
<p>The end. Pick whichever you like best.</p>
<p>Fox News is a horrible excuse for a news network. If they admitted they were conservatively biased and were essentially the propaganda machine for the GOP and the Bush White House(Which Scott McClellan recently admitted) I wouldn't mind them so much. But since they decide to act like they have no bias what so ever it infuriates me. At least the 700 Club admits that it is biased and as a result I don't mind them, though I disagree with them.</p>
<p>^ there is a difference between getting talking points-which most news stations receive from the white house-and "favoring a view"</p>
<p>they give it so that o'reilly or whoever can be like, "and the white house agrees with me!"...</p>
<p>also if you don't think CNN, etc, are biased...trust me, they are! everything has a bias</p>
<p>^ They all have a bias but none as blatantly obvious as Fox.</p>
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<p>Obama: "Change! Hope! We can do it! Wewewewewewe! Bush and old white guys=bad!"</p>
<p>The end. Pick whichever you like best.
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<p>LMAO. See how easy it is to generalize our candidates? We don't need Fox News, MSNBC, The National Review and The New York Times to do it for us! :D</p>
<p>Those were so funny. Maybe McCain should focus on what he will do, instead of mudslinging?</p>
<p>I don't think it's at all fair to characterize the world tour as a "victory lap." In fact, McCain had earlier called on Obama to visit the warzones in Afghanistan in Iraq, so Obama took him up on it. It's not his fault that the trip went off without a hitch and that ctizens and government heads around the world appear to agree with his messages.</p>
<p>Hell, if you ask me, I think more lawmakers should take trips every once in a while. I'd like to see John McCain talk to the Iraqi government about his "hundred year war" plan, or address a crowd of 200,000 in Berlin. If he can deride it, it must mean he can handle it.</p>
<p>I was lukewarm about Barack Obama before now, but now I'm dead set for him to win. Preferably without running ads as dumb as these two.</p>
<p>^ actually McCain went a few months ago. this is coming from a lib-i don't think it was a liberty lap...i just think some of the comments he made were REALLY presumptuous,</p>
<p>Obama's response about his flip-flop on offshore drilling: Obama</a> says offshore drilling stance nothing new - CNN.com</p>
<p>I'm sorry, but I think it's reasonable to say that "I made a general comment earlier about relief and didn't really mention the drilling, but it was implied" is not a totally adequate response. Interesting, the McCain camp praised Obama for his shift in position:</p>
<p>""It's clear that members of both parties are following John McCain's leadership toward an 'all of the above' approach on energy that includes nuclear, alternative energy, and offshore drilling," said a McCain spokesman."</p>
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<p>That was definitely taken out of context. That's comparable to a movie critic writing "This was not a very good movie", and the criticism appearing in an ad as "A very good movie".</p>