McCain trying to outflank Obama with barrage of negativity

<p>McCain's strategy is to damn Obama if he does, damn him if he doesn't.</p>

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What the McCain campaign doesn’t want people to know, according to one GOP strategist I spoke with over the weekend, is that they had an ad script ready to go if Obama had visited the wounded troops saying that Obama was...wait for it...using wounded troops as campaign props. So, no matter which way Obama turned, McCain had an Obama bashing ad ready to launch. I guess that’s political hardball. But another word for it is the one word that most politicians are loathe to use about their opponents—a lie.

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<p>Brand</a> New Day The New Normal: McCain's Desperate Ad Hours - BusinessWeek</p>

<p>You can see the same principle in effect when McCain accuses Obama of being uppity, oops, presumptuous, in trying to be presidential. Wait, I thought Obama's problem was that he wasn't presidential and experienced enough. And now that he tries to go and fix that, you accuse him of doing the very thing you supposedly want him to do?</p>

<p>McCain has nothing left. He lost the Iraq debate the moment he said "I agree" and "16 month timeline" in the same sentence. Lord knows he sucks on the economy. And he's not going to outcharm Obama. So in the month of July, even before the general election has officially started, McCain is already started to resort to tactics that even Hillary Clinton reserved for the Alamo. </p>

<p>Leaders shouldn't be whiners, and that's what McCain is doing right now. He's whining that Obama is too popular, too liked, too presidential... It's only a matter of time before he makes the deal with the devil and starts surreptitiously asking the country, "Hey, I know Bush sucked and I'm kind of the same, but is it really worth empowering the blacks? Once they forget their place, they'll take all the white wimmin! Just stick it out for a few more years, will ya?"</p>

<p>What source? This is about as stupid as that time when Obama himself and his campaign accused Hillary of circulating this cute picture <a href="http://www.dequalss.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/obama-muslim.jpg%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.dequalss.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/obama-muslim.jpg&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>McCain has had a history of choosing the right thing vs the popular thing. Obama has had a history of flipflops.</p>

<p>Too</a> Fit to Be President? - WSJ.com
<a href="http://www.redstate.com/diaries/brianfaughnan/2008/jul/24/enthusiasm-for-obama-on-the-wane-2/%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.redstate.com/diaries/brianfaughnan/2008/jul/24/enthusiasm-for-obama-on-the-wane-2/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>haha</p>

<p>What's it going to take for Obama to break out? Cinch the nomination? Nope. Party in Europe like President? Nope.
Rasmussen</a> Reports™: The most comprehensive public opinion coverage ever provided for a presidential election.
Gallup</a> Daily: Obama 45%, McCain 44%</p>

<p>Oil prices down, rebounding economy Rasmussen</a> Reports™: The most comprehensive public opinion coverage ever provided for a presidential election. Iraq getting better because of the support of Mccain and friends,</p>

<p>Today's WSJ headlines:</p>

<p>"GM Posts 15.5 Billion 2Q Loss"
"Jobless Hits 4-Year High"
"Stocks Slide Continues as Oil Rises"</p>

<p>Some rebounding economy.</p>

<p>He's not desperate yet. In the last two days, McCain has reduced Obama's 4+ point lead to 2.6. Obama's trip to Europe literally did not affect his popularity at all. No change in polls. McCain has been doing this for...how long? He knows what he's doing.</p>

<p>This is my one-and-only post, by the way. Just thought that I'd mention the actual numbers.</p>

<p>GM and Ford and others have been in the ****ter for giving in to unions and not planning ahead for a finite supply of oil. The market rewards the efficient and GM and Ford weren't efficient so I think it's pretty cool that they're getting a reality shock :D</p>

<p>Dollar</a> hits to near 6-week high vs. euro - Aug. 1, 2008
Image:Us</a> unemployment rates 1950 2005.png - Wikimedia Commons</p>

<p><a href="http://www.oil-price.net/1y_small.gif%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.oil-price.net/1y_small.gif&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Gas prices are coming down the Iraq war is nothing like anyone would've imagined.</p>

<p>John</a> McCain trend detected in Pennsylvania, Ohio and Florida polls | Top of the Ticket | Los Angeles Times</p>

<p>:D</p>

<p>"He's not desperate yet. In the last two days, McCain has reduced Obama's 4+ point lead to 2.6. Obama's trip to Europe literally did not affect his popularity at all. No change in polls. McCain has been doing this for...how long? He knows what he's doing."</p>

<p>The poll on November 4th is the only one I trust, and even that poll is hardly trustworthy anymore.</p>

<p>Yet another phlip :D
Can</a> you believe this? : NO QUARTER
Jeez, does he stand for anything?</p>

<p>You would think he'd shut up about issues he doesn't know about the way McCain does. Always trying to sound smart and then correcting him later.</p>

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<p>BusinessWeek. </p>

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McCain has had a history of choosing the right thing vs the popular thing. Obama has had a history of flipflops.

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<p>I see you already know the truth and you get unsettled when people confront you with facts. </p>

<p>Facts:</p>

<p>John McCain, once upon a time, was a disobedient Republican. He took centrist or Democratic positions on things like immigration, torture, campaign finance, the Bush tax cuts, and many more. However, ever since he lost the 2000 Republican primaries, he has abandoned everything that made him a so-called maverick and has become a run-of-the-mill Bush disciple.</p>

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You can see the same principle in effect when McCain accuses Obama of being uppity, oops, presumptuous, in trying to be presidential.

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<p>I couldn't have said it better myself. McCain isn't outwardly saying it, but most Black people who have lived in this country for a reasonable amount of time and have been paying attention to the news can tell that's truly the message. It's good that I'm not the only one who thinks this way. :)</p>

<p>Both</a> Ways Barack | Transcript
Obama has blatantly lied and taken a 180 with his positions in a matter of weeks and months. McCain has adjusted his to the realities of the situation. Do you really think he thinks that we should stay in Iraq forever? Clearly, with the surge in place, Iraq has dramatically changed and so, he has changed his positions too. Obama never cared about the situation and has clearly run on "get out of Iraq" as a campaign issue.</p>

<p>I'll give you this much pugfug90: at least you're a strong McCain supporter. There's nothing that ***es me off more than people who say, "I don't like *both candidates." </p>

<p>Why? Because it tells me that that person is aware enough to realize that Bush has been a disaster, and McCain has tied himself to the same people that got Bush elected and is thus beholden to their influence and interests. Thus, that person does not like McCain. So is he going to vote Democrat? Wait, hold on a minute. The Democratic candidate is black. Oh great, he thinks: 'You mean in order to exorcise Bush from Washington, I gotta vote for a black guy? Talk about being stuck between a rock and a hard place! Please please please let Hillary win! Oh damn, she lost. Oh lordy, what am I gonna do now?!'</p>

<p>It's quite simple in 2008. Did you like Bush? Then vote McCain. Did you hate Bush? Then vote Obama. Hate Bush but are you racist enough to resent or fear a black president? Ooh, tough choice.</p>

<p>"The poll on November 4th is the only one I trust, and even that poll is hardly trustworthy anymore."</p>

<p>That's nice, but 10 polls should give you an idea of where the populace stands. They're considered valid enough to be on CNN.</p>

<p>There's nothing that ****es me off more than idiots that vote for the party line.</p>

<p>Jimmy Carter? A failure
JFK? Dissapointing
Lyndon Johnson? Coool except for that dumb war
Bill Clinton? Awesome! Restrained government growth, cracked down on big business..Except his presidency did not leave us strong enough structurally to avoid the 2001 recession
Bush..idiot. anti stemcell, big deficits from unnecessary tax cuts, dumb war execution (mccain was vocal about the initial failure, and while obama claims he was against it, he couldn't have voted and said YouTube</a> - Obama Not Sure What Iraq Vote Would Have Been </p>

<p>Obama..idiot..for ethanol...against offshore drilling at 1st...for general election funds until he saw fit for it to benefit him...!socialism!!!wants to rob the oil companies of their profits and give it to us.</p>

<p>chris, you are outrageous. Can you tell me why anyone would want to vote for Obama?</p>

<p>YouTube</a> - The One
YouTube</a> - Celeb</p>

<p>lol McCain is just getting started.</p>

<p>nbachris2788:</p>

<p>I find the assertions in your last post so preposterous that it's hard to know where to begin.</p>

<p>The choice isn't nearly so clear as you paint it. There are plenty of people who haven't been very pleased with Bush's presidency who still feel that they must vote for McCain because he is the lesser of two evils. I am one of them. President Bush didn't stay faithful to the principles that many conservatives adhere to. </p>

<p>I didn't support much of what President Bush did, but I am still going to vote for McCain. It's not because Sen. Obama is black; it's because I find Obama's policies even more repulsive than those of the contemporary Republican party, Bush and McCain included. </p>

<p>My dislike for Sen. McCain doesn't mean that I have to support Sen. Obama.</p>

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I didn't support much of what President Bush did, but I am still going to vote for McCain. It's not because Sen. Obama is black; it's because I find Obama's policies even more repulsive than those of the contemporary Republican party, Bush and McCain included.</p>

<p>My dislike for Sen. McCain doesn't mean that I have to support Sen. Obama.

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<p>And what policies are those?</p>

<p>The Iraq withdrawal that has been endorsed by al-Maliki, and practically stamped for approval by Bush and McCain?</p>

<p>The economic plan that calls for a $1000 tax cut for everybody making less than $250 000? </p>

<p>His commitment to energy solutions that go beyond the extremely myopic "solution" of drilling offshore?</p>

<p>His commitment to fighting terrorism (in Afghanistan and Pakistan) while refraining from stupid ventures like Iraq?</p>

<p>Just what exactly are these egregiously horrendous policies that repulse you?</p>

<p>Obama</a> on Petraeus - Ben Smith's Blog - Politico.com
The buffoon has been wanting to get out. for FOREVER. It's a campaign issue not a real one. Back then, he wanted to get out because it was a failure to him. Now what? Obama has shown no judgment or backbone on this issue like McCain and Petraeus, just pandering. It's just like how Obama fiercely was against drilling offshore than for no reason, except to pander, was open to it. This is unlike McCain, who assess the current situation to determine our prescence in Iraq.</p>

<p>That $500/person, $1000/family (LOL) rebate does repulse me. The recent stimulus checks haven't done much. Now he wants to either further send us into debt with this meager amount, or rob the oil companies (and jack up higher prices to make the difference negligible) and give it back to us. It didn't work out last time NYT's</a> Krugman: McCain 'Evil', Clinton 'Pointless' on Gas Taxes | NewsBusters.org</p>

<p>McCain's sole solution to our energy crisis is to drill... LOL On their websites, it's clear that Obama wants to imitate Carter's windfall failure, McCain won't. McCain will remove tarriffs that will allow us to use energy abundant Brazilian ethanol as opposed to wasteful corn. Obama wants to socialize/"make jobs" by encouraging inefficient ethanol at home. Obama will "Require 25 Percent of Renewable Electricity by 2025". Another quota... Look at food prices around the world since farmers were forced to produce ethanol.</p>

<p>As I said, McCain, Patraeus, big people, the architects of the war, have information that I don't. So I'm not one to judge where we oughta be going. But it's clear that because McCain and friends didn't give up, Iraq is not a lost cause and now it seems Iraq is ready to almost be independent. Had we left months ago, who knows what would've happened.
YouTube</a> - Obama Not Sure What Iraq Vote Would Have Been
As seen in this video, Obama does not pretend to be a war general. He trusts the people with the intelligence. Now although he clearly lies and says he's not sure if he would've voted for the war, than "admits" he's always been against it and only was unsure because Kerry-Lieberman were for it, it's clear that any reasonable person would give trust to the big dogs than what liberal magazines suggest.</p>

<p>Chris, you are outrageous.</p>

<p>If you believe Obama would only raise taxes on the "wealthy" to pay for his extravagant programs, you're a fool. However, I'm not at all convinced about his tax policy. It's hard to get the exact details since you can only find information here and there about what he proposes, but it's easy enough for me to repulsed. </p>

<p>He wants to raise capital gains and dividends taxes, which I think is the wrong thing to do. Granted, he may or may not limit those tax increases to those in the 15% or higher income tax bracket. </p>

<p>He supports increasing the payroll taxes on those making $250,000 or more, and that probably includes the employer matching. So that would take more out of the paychecks of certain people, and it would amount to a tax increase for certain businesses. His tax increases on "high-income" individuals would likely hurt self-run small-businesses.</p>

<p>For whatever reason, a lot of the people today think that we can just stick it to the rich good and hard, and the money taken from them will be enough to spend on various programs. Those same people, of course, fail to realize that the wealthy don't live in a vacuum. They run businesses that employ people. They also invest money that creates and expands business, and they spend a large amount of money. If they have to cut back on any one of those three things, then it hurts the American economy as a whole. </p>

<p>In 2006, those in the top fifty percent paid 97% of the all the collected income taxes; those in the top five percent paid 60%; and those in the top one percent paid about 40%. I'm not sure why so many people believe that we should punish achievement.</p>

<p>I didn't even discuss his asinine "windfall profits tax" or his stance on gun control.</p>

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If you believe Obama would only raise taxes on the "wealthy" to pay for his extravagant programs

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<p>What extravagant programs? Staying in Iraq?</p>

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For whatever reason, a lot of the people today think that we can just stick it to the rich good and hard, and the money taken from them will be enough to spend on various programs.

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<p>Poor little rich people. The average CEO in America pays less taxes than his/her secretary. Buffett</a> blasts system that lets him pay less tax than secretary</p>

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I'm not sure why so many people believe that we should punish achievement.

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<p>Achievement? You don't seriously think that income is directly correlated to achievement, do you? Ask Angelo Mozilo.</p>

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rob the oil companies

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<p>ROB the oil companies? You mean Exxon-Mobil's $12 billion profit quarter? </p>

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This is unlike McCain, who assess the current situation to determine our prescence in Iraq.

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<p>Um, it was McCain who attacked Obama for wanting to assess the situation on the ground a few weeks ago, lying and calling him a flip-flopper (Obama has ALWAYS advocated wanting to assess the situation on the ground). Now that McCain has no choice but to steal Obama's Iraq plan, he now accuses Obama of being rigid. So is John McCain a liar for having accused Obama of flip-flopping when he apparently never was for assessing the situation, or is he a thief for going from 100 years to 16 months?</p>

<p>Messing with the rich, powerful, and successful is a surefire path to failure. If you mess with the bull, you get the horns. Coming from a wealthy family, I know all to well the damage we can afflict on our enemies. Further, jealousy is a sin; and I take my faith very seriously.</p>

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Messing with the rich, powerful, and successful is a surefire path to failure.

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<p>Go live in Saudi Arabia or something then, where the rich can do anything they want. This is America.</p>