<p>hey beautifulnerd, but above you wrote the sentence without a “became” (I really suck at quoting so I can’t quote it). I really really really don’t think it had became. Any other thoughts on this?</p>
<p>I’m 99.99999% sure it had became b/c I kept thinking Michael Phelps took his place lol.</p>
<p>I agree with you Bee123. I read the sentence (mumbled it out loud) during the test and noted that using “,winning” sounded a heck of a lot better than saying “by winning.” Thus, I am doubtful that became/become was used. HOWEVER, if it was, we are all in trouble.</p>
<p>btw, I have to admit rtgrove is right: if it put “became,” the “winning” choice would be wrong. I wouldn’t have chosen the “winning” choice if it had been “became.” I would have chosen “by” because the sentence would then be like a cause/reason.</p>
<p>I really don’t believe it used “became.” I surely wouldn’t have put “, winning” if that were the case.</p>
<p>On a side note, anyone just see the Jeopardy question about Mark Spitz. I lol’ed. :D</p>
<p>Beautiful Nerd- I really hope your wrong. I mean quite a few ppl put “,winning” and I do not think most ppl would have put that had became/become been in the sentence. O well, all we can do is wait till June 25th.</p>
<p>Lol I put “,winning” too.
I didn’t think CollegeConfidential discussed all this, but I do remember “became”
I read through that one out loud. Either way, if so many people put “,winning,” it had to be for a reason.</p>
<p>yeah, lets just hope majority rules on this one (as it usually does/should lol)</p>
<p>:) What were the experimentals?</p>
<p>majority doesn’t rule on hard questions though…</p>
<p>I don’t know for certain - I don’t think any of us can ever know for certain unless we have the exact sentence in front of us.</p>
<p>Smarts- I agree majority rule is not always correct. However, if became and all that was in the sentence, then it would have been blatantly obviously that “,winning” was wrong and no one wouldve put it. There must of been some reason for it…</p>
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<p>It doesn’t keep the comma.</p>
<p>In regards to my teacher, you guys don’t understand what she means–it’s NOT independent clause by terms of grammar, but it would HAVE to be independent in that situation UNLESS YOU WANT IT TO MODIFY “THE OLYMPICS.” Which is nonsense, so it’s operating independently to serve as a rationale for the WHOLE prior clause.</p>
<p>However, if it’s a DEPENDENT clause, then there shouldn’t be a comma there because the whole thing is a thought.</p>
<p>Plus, it was “In 1972, Mark Spitz was NAMED” if I do remember right. The exact verb in past tense doesn’t even matter now, all I do know is that there is a verb there and it is in past tense. (It is technically not idiomatically inaccurate to use “by” with the past tense of most verbs, even if usually, we would use something more accurate.) Using “by” with “to be” though doesn’t really work too well (and sounds awkward). Thank God there’s a verb inside =P</p>
<p>“Winning” to me was problematic with only a comma because, obviously, it would be a tense change unless a word like “by” showed that it was operating to explain something.</p>
<p>can i ask how you could even have “winning” without a comma?</p>
<p>You couldn’t say:</p>
<p>Mark Spitz was the champion winning seven gold medals.</p>
<p>THAT would be a runon.</p>
<p>I would take this thread with a grain of salt. According to the CC’s consensus, I should have gotten -2 or -3 in May. I ended up getting a 80 MC. Just some advice. :)</p>
<p>Did anyone else get E for the last 3 questions on the 10 minute writing section? I’m kind of concerned I read them too quickly since I was rushing time wise…</p>
<p>^^^ Second, cupnoodles. This thread is getting old fast, so I think this will be one of my lasts posts here = D.</p>
<p>With regards to the “became” thing:</p>
<p>“Winning” works with all these verbs.
“Mark Spitz became the champion, winning seven gold medals.”
“Mark Spitz was the champion, winning seven gold medals.”
“Mark Spitz was named the champion, winning seven gold medals.”</p>
<p>On the other hand, “by winning” only works with “became.”
Mark Spitz became the champion by winning seven gold medals.
Mark Spitz was the champion by winning seven gold medals.
Mark Spitz was named the champion by winning seven gold medals.</p>
<p>The last two simply don’t make sense. That means that “became” could not have been the verb because the SAT would not have two answer choices that could potentially be the best answer. Whether it was “was” or “was named,” it is clear that “, winning” is the best choice.</p>
<p>And I agree with Rtgrove123 and cupnoodles, haha I’ve spent too much time on this thread. It’s not going to change my score.</p>
<p>unfortanately, the champion was the not word… it was the most celebrated athlete</p>
<p>^ That word doesn’t affect the meaning or usage of the sentence.</p>