<p>When you get here to the Academy, never open your door for anyone after it has been shaving cream bombed once, even under threat of Form 341. I leanred that lesson the hard way…</p>
<p>A little more explanation for those of us who don't know what you are talking about.</p>
<p>My brothers friend at UND got Ax-Bombed and it was bad. Everything wreacked of axe for ever. </p>
<p>Im just curious... Who got Shavingcream bombed, who was the door opened to and what followed?</p>
<p>I assume for 341 is something like disobeying orders?</p>
<p>Edit: <a href="http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=axe+bomb%5B/url%5D">http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=axe+bomb</a> Axe bomb... i assume a shaving cream bomb is almost the same thing? Probably messier.</p>
<p>can we find out the details?</p>
<p>I know hazing is all part of the deal... But how bad is it? Is a shaving cream bomb is the worst? Does the academy sort of look the other way as a way of "initiating" doolies?</p>
<p>I don't think the hazing is so much beating people and whipping them untill they bleed sorta thing, but there is quite a bit of "spirit missions" from what I heard when I was up there. You know pennying people in their rooms, filling rooms with newspaper, that sorta non-violent stuff for the most part I think. This is mainly from what I heard at Summer Seminar.</p>
<p>Sorry to leave y'all hanging. :) It wasn't that bad, and it really isn't a big deal. It's happened a couple of times, but it's not too hard to clean. I did get one in my valet where all my cleaning stuff was, so that was a big mess. There really isn't any hazing. Unless you're an exchange cadet from another Academy during a football game against that Academy, in which case all three Academies take pleasure in shaving their heads, stealing their clothes, etc. I feel that if I asked that the "Shaving cream/I soak your pillow with Axe wars" be stopped, they would, immediately. There are spirit missions, but they are supposed to be approved, which takes a bit of doing paperwork. Some spirit missions are unapproved, which is frowned upon (not necessarily by cadets). </p>
<p>A Form 341 is something you get for messing up. A lower form of punishment. You can get positive ones as well, but that's pretty hard. :) </p>
<p>Above a 341 you get differing degrees of recorded counseling, the highest resulting in the establishment of an unfavorable record that will follow you into the Air Force after graduation from the Academy, and that really has the potential to set you back in your career.</p>
<p>Also, putting "pennying" doors doesn't work, I've tried it, they just fall out when you try to open the door, no matter how hard you jam them in. </p>
<p>A shaving cream bombs can be done two ways.
Most commonly, you just grab a full can, stab it with something, then toss it in a room. It sprays everywhere.
Two, you can freeze a can, then cut the bottom out, and hide it in someone's droor or closet or something. it expands a lot as it thaws, as you could imagine.</p>
<p>I'm loving part two of a shaving cream bomb! Thats such an awsome idea!</p>
<p>Hum, so basically, keep a blanket/plastic sheet shield at the ready somewhere if your door opens or someone knocks so you can pounce. lol.</p>
<p>just another reason why I love that place.</p>
<p>"I know hazing is all part of the deal... But how bad is it? Is a shaving cream bomb is the worst? Does the academy sort of look the other way as a way of "initiating" doolies?"</p>
<p>It's already been said, but let me affirm: Hazing is not tolerated here, and in the past 3+ years (even under the old system), I can say I've never seen any hazing.</p>
<p>Whats this "old system" you are refering to? Whats the "new system"?</p>
<p>The old system was the fourth class system, which I can only speak about from the perspective of a fourth class cadet. It entailed a very challenging first year, specifically the first nine months. One of the aspects was after school training sessions nearly every day in which our limits were tested on a regular basis. This made us realize that we needed to work as a team and we grew tremendous bonds with classmates. We also learned how to handle ourselves under stress and not let it phase us. In March was Recognition, which entailed a few days of nothing but training and very little sleep. At the end of it, we felt accomplished and proud. We got no privileges until this point in time. I wholeheartedly feel I am a better person for having gone through the "old system."</p>
<p>The new system is the Officer Development System, which is a result of the directive from Washington D.C., that was put in place right after my class finished our first year due to the "sexual assault scandal." All of the old training was done away with (to include physical training and all yelling). This drastic change was also accompanied by the cadet disciplinary system being overshadowed by the Uniform COde of Military Justice and the accompanying punishments. The purpose of the ODS looks great on paper, but there have been issues implementing it here, at least primarily due to the sudden change between the two systems. It's basis is to develop leaders with character. It is not inherently a bad idea, but I do not think the old system should have been completely demolished.</p>
<p>That's all I'll sya for now unless you have any specific questions.</p>
<p>Wow...i knew of the "Officer Development" thing but i didnt knwo what changes were implemented. Sounds almost...waterered down if you ask me.</p>
<p>I hear the only terriable part of forth class year is up till thanksgiving, and after that things lighten up. That true?</p>
<p>While getting accepted is my current challenge, if i do, i almost would prefer the "old system" (im sure id agree otherwise if i was there...).</p>
<p>Hmmm, oh well. Just have to take things as they come.</p>
<p>Old system sounds more....better? Personally, if I was there I would want the old system over what you say the new system is.</p>
<p>Well, they're not necessarily better or worse, just different. And there is still yelling. I had the Honor Guard Commander as my Flight Commanders in Basic. He yelled. :D And then there are the TI's, who are some wonderful NCO's you'll meet when you get here. They come here just to yell at you pretty much. The only that I don't like as my perspective as a four dig is that physical traiing isn't frequent enough after Basic. There is a lot of it during Basic, but no so much after. It all has to be approved. But, the pendulum swings. 07 didn't have anything really, they got every privelege except civvies after Thanksgiving. This year is different, the pendulum is swinging back towards the old way. The only thing that is different after Thanksgiving this year is that we can 1) Listen to music 2) Walk at ease on the T-Zo</p>
<p>How do you not walk at ease on the T-Zo?</p>
<p>Also, I would have to say that implementation of the UCMJ was definitely a good thing. I'm sure UNCynical has heard the story of the new 2nd Lt. who was asked by a senior officer, "So do you think the Academy has prepared you to be an excellent officer?" and he replies, "I think the Academy has prepared me to be an excellent upperclassmen". See, old punishments like tours (walking laps basically) and demerits had nothing to do with the "real" Air Force. Firsties would get out there, get in trouble and say, "UCMJ? 341? Unfavorable Information File? Can't I just get a demerit?" Maybe not exactly like that, but you get the idea. And to an enlisted Airman, not knowing things like that would really lower their respect of you, because even though you might have high and mighty officer things going on, you failed to know something that is basic knowledge to them. But most importantly, it's not good to not know how "da law" works in the Air Force. Especially when, as an officer, you may need to use one of these punishments on someone that you are appointed over.</p>
<p>"How do you not walk at ease on the T-Zo?"</p>
<p>You run at attention on the marble strips.</p>
<p>"Also, I would have to say that implementation of the UCMJ was definitely a good thing."</p>
<p>While I agree that some things may warrant UCMJ action, I do not believe all infractions should be punishable by this. The cadet disciplinary system served a purpose. Yes, it is important to know what goes on in the operational system, however, this is not the operational air force. This is a "leadership laboratory" where minor mistakes should be able to be made without giving cadets a paperwork trail that may follow them to their first assignment. I would not be surprised if some of the old cadet disciplinary things came back, such as Form 10s. They're a cadet form that can be given for good or bad things, similar to the Form 341 but just for cadets. These go in your file and impact MPA, job selections, etc. while you're here (so there is an incentive to avoid negative ones), but cadet regulations you break (and receive UCMJ action for since that is all that is really available) won't haunt you in the operational air force after you graduate. When my class met with Lt. Gen. Regni on Thursday, he expressed an interest in this, which is why I say not to be surprised if you see changes next semester.</p>
<p>Concerning your example of not knowing how UCJM works in the operational air force, imagine what can happen if cadets get used to giving/getting UCMJ punishments for every action. They may get to their first assignment and when they see someone doing something minor (like not having their shoes shined), they try to give them an LOC or worse. UCMJ punishments are not given out liberally on the operational side of things, so why get in the habit of doing it here?</p>