Just How Hard Is It To Get Into University Of Toronto Or Queen's???

<p>llld, are you ****ing serious? Queens is one of the top schools in Canada, maybe only behind McGill. Are you living in an igloo?</p>

<p>"It does depend on the major you apply for. Approximate cut off at UT is normally around 83% using the Ontario grading system. (which is a B-) It's similar for Queen's (other than engineering.)</p>

<p>The applicant pool for Canadian schools are much smaller than top schools in the US, and their school sizes (since its all public) are very large. So they aren't very selective at all."</p>

<p>Rutiene, if i were you i'd review my facts. An 83% in Ontario is an A-, and schools in the states add 5-10% to Canadian marks to compare them to those from American schools. I know this because one of my friends talked to a Princeton hockey scout (he's getting a full scholarship there). So an 83% here is closer to an 88-93% average in a regular public school in your country. And that is most likely a GPA in the mid-high 3's</p>

<p>Starbright, those numbers for Queens sound about right, because i know the average high school average of admitted students was 86% last year</p>

<p>Queen's is an amazing school with a fantastic reputation. According to Maclean's Magazine ranking Canadian universities, Queen's has one of the highest entering averages in the country, second only to McGill I think. Also, Queen's has THE HIGHEST percentage of 1st year students who return for a 2nd year, and as well, the highest percentage of students who graduate out of all the schools in the country. Queen's is definitely considered a "Canadian Ivy".</p>

<p>Let me precedent this post by saying I am a HUGE U of T fan. Planning on going their for law school. HOWEVER, U of T is ranked highly purely based on its amazing graduate programs. In terms of undergrad programs, they only supersede Queen’s in Engineering and Sciences and I suppose Philosophy. If you’re going into and other Arts/Humanities/Social Sciences, then they are equal if not defeated by universities such as Queen’s, Western, and McGill. Basically, if you’re going into Humanities, don’t consider the school so much as the tier the school is in. The school’s I just listed are all top tier.</p>

<p>I don’t know about that. A large number of studies are now showing American Ivy to be relatively easy to get through, it’s getting in that’s the big deal–and let’s not forget where the American education system stands on a worldwide scale. So, you really have people with the same academic standing being accepted into American Ivy vs. Canadian Ivy (American just requires more extracurricular). However, once accepted, American Ivy spreads their students on a grading scale of 80-90 (for the most part everybody graduates with an A average) whereas the same people are being spread out on a 10-90 scale in Canadian Ivy. Therefore, you’d get a quality education from Canadian Ivy, but way more prestige from American Ivy.</p>

<p>Yes it is, worldwide rankings are based on graduate programs more than anything. This is where U of T dominates (and other school’s really don’t fall that far behind). Queen’s undergrad (as well as McGill and Western and even Waterloo) supersede U of T’s undergrad in many cases.</p>

<p>80 and above is an A- to A+ in Ontario.</p>

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<p>Queen’s is a great school but this claim isn’t necessarily true. U of T is an excellent school and it isn’t only due to its grad programs. </p>

<p>downing505, if you’re planning on attending U of T for law school, I hope you have very high stats for both gpa and LSAT. Your idea of Queen’s necessarily being better prep than a U of T undergrad will not be the case as you’ll see when/if you get to law school. A U of T undergrad is more likely to get into U of T law than one from Queen’s, especially with the new process that U of T is using for admissions.</p>

<p>Realizing that this is an old discussion, downing, I imagine that the questions were answered for those asking in 2009. ;)</p>