<p>globalist, i completely agree, my point being that they'd rather avoid those tasks and simply publish information already compiled but at a premium price</p>
<p>Yes. I used a printout of last year's numbers I had handy but they don't change much either.</p>
<p><a href="http://mup.asu.edu/research_data.html%5B/url%5D">http://mup.asu.edu/research_data.html</a></p>
<p>Nobel Prize winners, NAS members etc. attract the best and brightest young faculty who want to work and learn from the best. </p>
<p>Now I know that when somebody decides to teach at some LAC he is automatically given the full Mr. Chips attitude and begins planning dinners with students.</p>
<p>Thanks for the link.</p>
<p>From Post 64…..</p>
<p>“Nobel Prize winners, NAS members etc. attract the best and brightest young faculty who want to work and learn from the best.”</p>
<p>Yes, and the statistics on who gets Ph D’s show that these young faculty members most likely went to a LAC for their undergraduate work….</p>
<p>No, that is incorrect. Far more PhD's come from the big schools undergrad too. Just the %'s are lower due to the huge numbers. Most Phd"s went to undergrad at a PhD producing school.</p>
<p>"The majority of PhD recipients attended research universities as undergraduates. In 1963
and 2000, 61 percent of PhD recipients attended research universities. In addition, 21 percent of
PhD recipients in 2000 attended Master’s-level institutions and 18 percent attended liberal-arts
colleges."</p>
<p>Re-reading my comment after reading you comment shows that you are correct…</p>
<p>My poorly constructed comments would almost certainly have upset Mr. Chipps, but I might have been able to slip them by at a larger school…..</p>
<p>for the bagillionith time, school presidents know whats going on at other schools! you think that when school A hires a professor, that professor comes from the sky and not another university? you don't think a school president knows what the schools with which he competes with are doing? You don't think they are an accurate judge of whats going on at schools that are comparable to his? </p>
<p>xiggi, if you think that, then you are clueless. </p>
<p>and also, as its been pointed out by many other people besids me, PA specifically asks for the opinion of the undergraduate divison of a university, not its grad schools.</p>
<p>No, actually many school presidents don't know what's going on at other undergraduate schools. When they know 'what's going on', it's pretty much a measure of the academic work that school produces, and the vast majority of that comes from grad work. This is not entirely relevant to undergrad rankings. While PA does have its use in these rankings, being the ultimate stat at 25% makes little sense at all, and is a skewed perception of how good an undergraduate school really is. That's why schools with noticeable graduate work like Illinois and Texas have higher PA scores than schools with better undergrads like William and Mary. There are several exceptions, but the trend is basically towards having a more prolific academic reputation (98% grad work) than actually understanding each school's undergraduate quality. It's simply impossible for a college president or dean to be able to really get a feel for the undergrads for many schools- they are busy enough as it is.</p>