<p>Oh yeah. Stanford for a back up?!?</p>
<p>Stanford as a backup? Why not!! She's so fantastic and got acceptance from 6 of the 8 Ives right?? Should have only applied to max of 4 Ives and make Stan as a back up.</p>
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<p>I've seen another thread recently in which participants were trying to be more exact about those numbers. Are there any forum participants here who have Web links to admission office press releases or other statements on this issue at hand? The suggestion in the other thread, from a published source that I would like to fact-check, is that the base acceptance rate of 2400 scorers at the most selective colleges might reach as high as 75 percent. I'd want to double-check that figure (or the 50 percent figure) before spreading it around, so I wonder if anyone has current links to official statements of admission officers on exactly that point in recent years. </p>
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<p>Nope. Students like that are too rare to fill up even Harvard's class. </p>
<p>There is enough vagueness in the OP's description that I'm not sure if "perfect scores" refers to having a 2400 on the SAT I while "three 800s" refers to SAT II Subject Tests, but if a test-taker has a double 2400 like that, the test-taker is RARE. Rarer still would be combining peak scores with a peak class rank (at any high school, much less a "competitive" high school) and having some significant extracurricular involvement. So there is something a bit newsworthy about this report, although I still feel that we are missing information. In any event, peak scorers on admission tests are sufficiently rare that all the most selective colleges have to go deeper in the scoring chart than just the top layer to fill a new entering class. The amazing thing to outside observers, as this thread illustrates, is that sometimes it appears that high scorers are passed over while the college goes down the chart--which shows that college admission in the United States is not as test-score-driven as it is in some other countries.</p>
<p>"There is a certain level of randomness. Certainly she was qualified for H and Y"</p>
<p>The Harvard admissions dean says 90% of applicants there are qualified for admission. Harvard is flooded with an overabundance apps from high stat students with great ECs. Consequently, H gets to select applicants who'll best contribute to a well rounded campus with students actively filling the hundreds of student-run ECs H has, and also students majoring in even the most obscure majors. In addition, H wants a diverse group of students in terms of: socioeconomic status, race, religion, region, country, type of school, and political views.</p>
<p>They'll pass on a 2400 valedictorian aspiring pre med major to take someone with lower stats who's planning on majoring in an underserved major or who would add to the campus' diversity in some other way.</p>
<p>Quick take II...she's treating the college application like a game, wants to see how many Ives she can bag, then some braging show perhaps by the parents.</p>
<p>In response to token adults qx, here is a link from Stanford: <a href="http://www.stanford.edu/dept/uga/applying/extras/1_2a6_profile.html#freshmen%5B/url%5D">http://www.stanford.edu/dept/uga/applying/extras/1_2a6_profile.html#freshmen</a>
Unfortunately, this one gives the stats for the bracket 700-800, rather than perfect 800 scores, but I have seen that stat posted and will post the link here as soon as I find it.</p>
<p>McCash certainly you are entitled to your opinion but it would be helpful if you read my post before you spoke about something you know little about.
"the reason she applied to so many was because everyone told her just because she had everything she might get rejected from every school due to the sheer numbers of applications."
By the way with an 800 in math an 800 v and 800 essay and you are denied because 50% miss the mark at H and Y- tell me if this is not a game what the heck is it?</p>
<p>Point is that this strong candidate got into other schools and made her choice. But just like any other person on this board she hoped to go somewhere and that somewhere was H or Y. What's the problem with that? And McCash you don't know this person or her parents how on earth can you come to a conclusion like that about "bragging"? Your statement or "quick take" is preposterous.</p>
<p>Is she African-American, Hispanic, or Native American? Is she is first generation college for her family? Was she a legacy anywhere?</p>
<p>Giri!! You just have to make up your mind!! Know what you want!! Applying eight ives ouit of eight that's ridiculous, each school has their own characteristic, H is definetely different than D, Y is totally different than C of Ithaca. H and Y your 1st choice and turn out they see through you, you are treating this as a game. Your example should serve as a warning to the class of 2012.</p>
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<p>actually, its rather easy to figure out the "problem." Someone applying to Dartmouth and Columbia is only prestige shopping. [cc has another term fot it.]</p>
<p>The simple fact that ANYone who applies to both Columbia and Dartmouth has not the faintest idea in what they want in a college, besides a piece of parchment paper from a certain athletic league. If that came out in an interview.....</p>
<p>I didn't apply "friend". Read the post SOMEONE ELSE DID. According to your post one shouldn't apply anywhere except to the one school you want lol since they are all different. It's not the point MY FRIEND actually APPLIED She was told to apply to a list of schools she thought she might like if she were to get in by her guidance office. And hey her example is some warning she walked away with many amazing choices. Lesson learned. Too bad H and Y passed on her that's all.</p>
<p>You know what Hedoya....at her deepest corner of heart, late in the quiet evening, she will always remember she was H and Y reject.</p>
<p>What is H & Y looking for? In a word Leaders. Over the past few centuries our nations rulers have come from these institutions. I image that they are looking for qualities that will give rise to adults who will lead our country and its institutions. What are those qualities? Intelligence, confidence, motivation, competitiveness, communications skills, involvment, and spark (plus a lot more). Does president of the French club make you a future leader? Does 800 on your SAT verbal equate with communication skills? We can second guess H/Ys admin formula, but it seems to me that they have it down pretty well. Do they miss a few great picks? Absolutely! Obviously these posts do not give us enough information to pass judgment on this unfortunate accomplished young woman who only got into six out of eight Ivies.</p>
<p>regardless of the stuff people are posting like they want leaders or the recs weren't good...none of that is really valid, imo. if she was good enough for princeton she was good enough for harvard and yale. the fact is, all 3 schools get plenty more applications with qualified students then they have spots for. maybe she was at the bottem of the pool of applications, and by the time they read hers they had admitted too many students. maybe they saw that she was applying to all the ivies and said "she can go to another one, we'll give the spot to someone else." maybe she just isn't as good as you think, who knows. but for 3 schools with admissions percentages of 10%, and she got into 1 of 3, thats not bad is it?</p>
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<p>Harvard and Yale don't anchor their admission standards to those of Princeton.</p>
<p>I don't think that the issue should be phrased as "she wasn't good enough" for Harvard or Yale. She was, as were many others who were also not admitted by Harvard or Yale (I prefer this locution to "was rejected).
She just did not happen to fit Harvard or Yale's criteria in that particular year as well as some other applicants. These criteria are often marginal, but they can be what makes or breaks a specific application for that year, given that so many applicants are similarly qualified. Someone who expresses interest in Sanskrit may have a slight edge over someone who wants to major in English. A very slight edge, but enough but perhaps to tip that student over the fence. Or one applicant's essay may have struck a chord with one reader but not with another. Or one applicant has a particular athletic or artistic talent...
As the various college websites remind us, "there is no rigid formula."
When students apply to graduate programs, are admitted but then ask for a deferral, chances are that they will be told that they cannot defer; if they wish to re-apply for admission the following year, they are welcome to do so, but there is no guarantee that they will be admitted since they will be considered in a different pool than in the current year. The same applies to undergraduate admissions. The pools at the Ivies are similar in terms of general qualifications, but sufficiently dissimilar as well at the margins that the odds of admission differ from school to school for the same applicant. And they would differ for the same applicant at the same school in different years.</p>
<p>How do they know where else she is applying? I thought the students records are protected for privacy? </p>
<p>Leadership is an interesting issue. How can you tell from an essay and great EC's about leadership? She founded a national club etc. I don't know its interesting thats all. As for me I applied to a couple of schools got in and am happy. I know lots of kids who spent their lives dreaming of a school which I think is silly. Sure the architecture at some is better than the others but I like my school because of the kids and the location and the weather. Every school has some good Profs and some crappy ones.
And I also think to answer another point its way easier to get into Princeton than to get into H or Y. I have said this before I think you need to be super rich to get into these schools which is then described as having "good character" or " leadership potential". I am not impressed by any of this. Looking back I wish I knew more about Dartmouth. Its a really cool school and I never knew much about it so I never applied. I've met alot of cool kids from there and visited the school.</p>
<p>Perhaps schools look at perfect SAT scores as a negative. Maybe it looks like she spent too much time perfecting a number which will be irrelevant in the long run. She should have been pursuing her "passion" instead.</p>
<p>A friend of my son got into Harvard with a 1200-something and a 3.5. He plays a certain sport that involves helmets and pads.</p>
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