<p>Hello Crimson!</p>
<p>For Graduate School no one can beat the Kennedy School of gov't and Harvard Business School (my goal).</p>
<p>HOWEVER, where would you say these graduate students do their undergrad? Pomona, Williams, Claremont Mckenna? or Princeton & Stanford? Any information you all could give me would be amazing! :)</p>
<p>A wide range of schools--from other Ivies to large, public universities. What matter most are your academic record, standardized test scores, & then "life experience", e.g., work, etc.</p>
<p>So do you think a public university like UO (major safety) would cut it, or do they require more elite schools (i really like LACs) like pomona, williams, amherst...</p>
<p>or do you think its also just a lot of ivy-league undergrads?</p>
<p>They don't <em>require</em> more elite schools, but if you do well at an elite school it might look slightly more impressive. That said, I don't think it really matters where you go so much as how you do wherever you go.</p>
<p>In terms of Harvard Law (more selective than KSG), this link lists the undergraduate schools of its students. It's as diverse as imaginable.</p>
<p>Thank you so much, that is quite exciting!</p>
<p>I don't think HBS is unmatched in terms of business-school excellence by any stretch of the imagination.</p>
<p>"I don't think HBS is unmatched in terms of business-school excellence by any stretch of the imagination."</p>
<p>Where the HECK do you see someone claiming that the HBS is "unmatched?"</p>
<p>He saw it in the first post of this thread:</p>
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For Graduate School no one can beat the Kennedy School of gov't and Harvard Business School (my goal).
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<p>My apologies to zephyr...
though I think skyhawkk is entitled to his (or her) opinion...</p>
<p>Stanford's B-school is up there too, but besides Wharton which isn't for me, what other amazing business schools are there?</p>
<p>Well, the WSJ has noted that there is a stigma against HBS types. </p>
<p>Wharton and Stanford Business School compete head-to-head and evenly with HBS (which only places fifth on the BusinessWeek rankings, for example). </p>
<p>Other good business schools include MIT's Sloan, Dartmouth's Tuck, Northwestern's Kellogg, University of Chicago's GSB, Berkeley's Haas, Yale's School of Management and Columbia Business School.</p>
<p>If you want the best shot at HBS, I say apply to Harvard undergrad. Clearly there's a bit of 'preferential treatment' going on there.</p>
<p>because the numbers arent available, what do you guys think: is the presence of Harvard College as strong in the other graduate schools as in the HLS?</p>
<p>i'm going to harvard undergrad and have been told by a gov professor that it helps for KSG, where i'd also like to go</p>
<p>Harvard College, again, is the best represented at all of Harvard's graduate schools. Obviously, the applicant pool from Harvard College is self-selected to a point - the 9% acceptance rate for the past couple of years is no joke. I know many people (or have heard of through the grapevine) going onto HLS, HMS, HBS and other Harvard professional schools. As a pre-med student, I have heard (and confirmed through the Office of Career Services advisor) that the acceptance rate of Harvard College students (seniors and alumni) to HMS stands around 10 to 13-percent. The overall HMS acceptance rate stands at 2.7%.</p>
<p>The only track where people go to another institution is for PhD programs. Many of my science friends pursuing a PhD are looking at other institutions as well as friends who want to receive a PhD in different areas.</p>
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For Graduate School no one can beat the Kennedy School of gov't and Harvard Business School (my goal).</p>
<p>HOWEVER, where would you say these graduate students do their undergrad? Pomona, Williams, Claremont Mckenna? or Princeton & Stanford? Any information you all could give me would be amazing!
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<p>I can't speak for KSG.</p>
<p>But I can pull a column from the HBS alumni directory to give you the following numbers of MBA grads who came from the respective undergrad programs:</p>
<p>Harvard University (3255)<br>
Yale University (1473)<br>
Princeton University (1263)<br>
Stanford University (1142)<br>
Mass. Inst. of Tech. (966)<br>
Penn., University of (827)<br>
Dartmouth College (742)<br>
Cornell University (734)<br>
Brown University (715)<br>
Calif, U of,Berkeley (527)<br>
Mich, U of,Ann Arbor (447)<br>
U.S. Naval Academy (445)<br>
Williams College (426)<br>
U.S. Military Academy (406)<br>
Duke University (385) </p>
<p>Now, keep in mind that there are several factors to keep in mind:</p>
<p>*The data is not normalized by population size. For example, one reason why Harvard has more alums going to HBS than Yale, Princeton or MIT does is simply because Harvard has more students than any of those schools. I'm sure that's also a big reason why, except for Williams, you don't see any of the LAC's on the list, because none of them have lots of students in the first place. </p>
<p>*People self-select to go to HBS at different rates. For example, I am sure that a lot of Stanford and Berkeley grads would prefer to get their MBA at Stanford in order to stay on the West Coast. I'm sure a lot of Penn grads would prefer Wharton. State residents often times prefer to get their MBA at their state school if it offers a top MBA program (hence, residents of California, Michigan, Virginia, and others). Some schools also produce grads who don't have interest in management. For example, lots of MIT grads just want to be scientists and researchers and have no interest in getting an MBA. </p>
<p>*HBS, like most other business schools, or universities in general, and like the business world at large, has a long history of being exclusively male-only if not in law, then at least in effect. The alumni database includes information about HBS grads all the way back to the first class of 1910, when obviously no women would have gone to HBS (HBS did not admit women until 1965). By the same token, very few minorities went to HBS (or any university for that matter) in those years, as pernicious racial discrimination by all schools was still a fact of life back in those days. Hence, obviously women's colleges and historically black colleges are not going to be well represented, especially in the early days of HBS. </p>
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<li>Along the lines of history, let's remember that some schools have changed dramatically over time. Stanford, for example, was basically a no-name regional school for the first half of its existence, and became an elite school only around the 1950's or so. By the same token, the most prestigious schools in the world before WW2 were probably Oxford and Cambridge. Harvard became predominant in parallel to the US becoming a world superpower.<br></li>
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<p>Having said that, I still think the data is useful as long as you keep the above factors in mind.</p>
<p>Since I'm sure I'm going to be asked, let me pull out a few more alma maters of interest, in no particular ranking order. </p>
<p>Amherst (385)
Wellesley (244)
Swarthmore (97)
Caltech (66)
Northwestern (315)
Chicago (84)
UCLA (199)
Columbia (307 under "Columbia University", 16 under "Columbia College", 42 under "Barnard College")
Boston College (255)
Boston University (199)
Umass (52 under "UMass", 48 under "Umass Amherst", 5 under "UMass Boston")
Northeastern (122)</p>
<p>do you have access to this kind of data from any other graduate program? My specific interest is in the GSE...</p>
<p>sakky do you have figures for Oxbridge, LSE and Warwick?</p>
<p>Well, British figures wil be warped not only for geographic reasons (as British students will probably prefer to go to LBS or some other home school), but more importantly, the European business culture values an MBA less than the US culture does. The MBA is mostly an American phenomenom. You don't really need an MBA to have a highly successful business career in Europe. Very few of the top exec's in European companies have MBA's. </p>
<p>Ok, having said that:</p>
<p>Oxford - 267
Cambridge - 270
Warwick - 8
LSE - 39
University of London (of which LSE is a part of) - 50</p>
<p>Yeah, I wanted some guide as to how the different universities fared. This is in line with my expectations - except I thought there would be more from LSE. Thanks.</p>