<p>It varies from state to state how many OOS students are "allowed" in. As I understand it, some states (like Texas) hold numbers to something like 10%. U of Michigan is known for being unusually generous in the proportion of non-residents. It tries to keep the undergrad population at about two-thirds resident, 1/3 OOS & international. This isn't due to any "rule" but represents something of a "gentleman's agreement" with the legislature. </p>
<p>The proportion really hasn't changed much in the last decade.</p>
<p>Michigan isn't a land-grant school, but I don't think that has much to do with it. </p>
<p>Resident is going up more than nonresident because there is a feeling that nonresident is already close to topping out the market. Resident tuition, although high for an in-state school, can still be considered a relative "bargain" given the value of a Michigan education.</p>
<p>U-M evaluates Resident and Nonresidents the same way for aid (same formula determines EFC) but doesn't meet 100% of nonresident need. </p>
<p>And no, demand isn't down (so far). Applications for Fall 2005 had a big rebound (they went down for Fall 2004 after the application process changed) and, most remarkably, yield stayed the same despite the rise in applications. Maybe the change in price will change demand. Time will tell.</p>
<p>before in other states. Thanks for all of the good info. While I didn't look at UMich I have friends who are there.....OOSers and they also feel that is is rather a good tuition for the quality.</p>
<p>The pity of this is the inability of families to plan for the 4 year expense....one can guess but these are large increases. Does the school increase the grant funds available or work study??? Is there any alternative to loans??</p>
<p>I second Dstark's willingness to pay OOS tuition. UM was my S's close second choice school, and he'd've gone there happily if he was turned down by his ED school. Being alum, we know he'd get a world class education there, for a few thousand less than the private he ended up at, and have a darn good time while doing so (actually, it would have been a lot less, as they offered him a huge merit scholarship, but we'd've paid full-freight, too.)</p>
<p>hazmat: The article explained that Michigan also increased its pool of financial aid dollars by a higher percentage (14.5% in GF financial aid pool for residents, 6.3% increase for nonresident). That's been its policy for years and years. Financial aid always goes up at least the same percentage as tuition--or more. </p>
<p>Also, MPACT was started last year, to help ease the burden for the lowest income families.</p>
<p>A2Wolves: Many Michigan public Universities had hefty price hikes, but 15% is a bit of an exaggeration. Michigan's 6% increase may discourage some out-of-staters to apply but it would have to be a drastic change in numbers to make places "open up" for Michiganders. There are almost twice as many nonresident apps as resident apps each year. Michigan's nonresident/resident mix is a policy decision, not simply driven by application volume. If application volume was the deciding factor, there would likely be MORE nonresidents enrolled. Like garland and dstark have indicated, some number of families see Michigan's education as a good deal even with the steep nonresident tuition fees.</p>
<p>In Wisconsin, state employees, including UW faculty and staff, will receive a 2% pay raise this year and next, and a 1% the year after. Classified, union, employees at UW received virtually no pay raises over the last two years, and they have an average salary of $24,000 per year according to a poster on campus which compares that salary to the average cost of $11,000 per year for day care. Unclassified, non-union employees including faculty and administrators received a small flat amount rather than a percentage of their salary last year but had to pay the costs of an increaase in medical insurance. Traditionally, faculty members dont get the entire pay raise, but only a portion with the rest of the funds held for merit raises. Im not sure though how you can divide up 2%.</p>
<p>Zagat, Michigan offers a similar type education to the elite private research universities in terms of quality, prestige, attention, resources etc... So if anything, Michigan is a bargain for out of staters since Michigan is still a good $6,000/year cheaper than its peers.</p>
<p>Hoedown, I would like to see Michigan become a 60-30-10 university...60% out of state, 30% in-state and 10% international. This year, Michigan's operating budget, not including the hospital, is expected to be over $2.5 billion. Of that, only $300 million (12%) will come from the state.</p>
<p>Millions have been cut from the system. I don't have the exact figures since I only came last October. Here's how it plays out in one very small way. We no longer have our garbage cans emptied everyday. It's now only once a week. I'm not sure that the students have seen any impact of the budget cuts on their educations though except for some, what I see as, small tuition increases.</p>
<p>Well, the weather's a lot better at USC. LOL.</p>
<p>It's hard to compare. USC is a much smaller 25,000 students to 40,000 students, plus it is very much smaller physically. Assumedly that means there are more resources at UW, but I don't know how that actually plays out. USC's campus is immaculate. UW appears well-worn in some places although there are plans in place to update and upgrade much of the campus. </p>
<p>As to the educational experience, I really can't compare. My son is happy at USC. He gets the courses he needs for a major that is arguably the best in the country and has the opportunity to take a minor unrelated to his major. He has developed a number of friendships, gets to do some exciting political activities, and has, perhaps most importantly from his point of view, a girlfriend. At UW I think, the students are happy with their educations, the administration cares, and the faculty, with some exceptions, is productive and exciting.</p>
<p>Actually, USC has 32,000 students compared to Wisconsin's 42,000...so the size difference isn't that big...although USC only has 16,000 undergrads compared to Wisconsin's 28,000.</p>
<p>Zagat, you are starting to sound like an elitist.</p>
<p>"Zagat, Michigan offers a similar type education to the elite private research universities in terms of quality, prestige, attention, resources etc... So if anything, Michigan is a bargain for out of staters since Michigan is still a good $6,000/year cheaper than its peers."</p>
<p>absolutely true, i would go to michigan rather than georgetown, cornell, tufts, northwestern, chicago, JHU...it's simply a great school, excellent at almost every thing. Just because it's a state university, it doesn't mean it's any worse than a private university.</p>
<p>You're right as to the size. I have the USC pocket profile and the UW Data Digest on my desk. I should have looked. USC's campus is very compact. UW's is huge and very spread out. The main campus has 933 acres and UW-Madison owns a total 10,649 acres. By comparison, USC's University Park campus, where most of the non-medical related activities take place, is 235 acres.</p>
<p>UW's (Madison) state funding has gone from $408 Million in 2001-2002 to $370 Million for 2004-2005. The net change after all the budget changes should be a small increase for 2005-2006--maybe $10 million.</p>
<p>My oldest is applying this year and UMich is on his list. Elitist maybe, but I am doing the math and wondering if a state school will be worth paying as much for as a private. We live in CA and see the huge red tape at UCs that make classes hard to get and graduating in 4 years increasingly unlikely. I would never pay oos tuition for a UC. Not sure I'd want to pay in state tuition for one. What I want to know is if UMich is really that different.</p>
<p>there is redtape at every university, public and private. less redtape i suppose at the smaller liberal arts colleges, like amherst, pomona, williams. i would recommend looking into those.</p>
<p>Zagat, I have heard that the UC schools are indeed struggling in some regards. I am not sure how they compare to Michigan. I do know that with the exception of the first semester, students at Michigan usually do not have trouble registering for classes. The first semester is tricky because students must wait until orientation to register, and sometimes, many classes are already filled. Personally, in my four years at Michigan, I always got the classes I wanted and most of my courses 70% were rellatively small (fewer than 30 students) and taught by full-time professors. Actually, close to 100% of my classes were taught by professors, but about 10% of my classes had more than 250 students and another 20% of my classes had 40-100 students. But from what I have seen, even the elite private research universities aren't significantly better than that.</p>