<p>I suppose this is a hot topic on campus? Any thoughts on how this will affect yield for the next class? I suppose Guttenberg will have his spin...</p>
<p>Karen</a> Owen's Duke Sex-Rating PowerPoint Goes Viral (VIDEO)</p>
<p>As a parent, it does affect my view about the social culture on campus.
It sounds like it took her longer to write about some of those encounters than the time she took getting to know the partners before sleeping with them.</p>
<p>Maybe Duke should drop men’s Lacrosse from their athletic program. This is the 2nd time, in a relatively short period of time, that the team and the school has had a negative light cast on it involving sexual escapades. It’s my son’s decision on whether he apply there, but I would not be unhappy if he took a pass on Duke…</p>
<p>Duke is not different than any other school. There is a small subculture of individuals who actively seek out and choose this lifestyle, but it’s by no means the norm. You honestly think it’s different at State U? It’s not. It’s probably worse there. Or even Harvard? It’s not there either. I guess there aren’t as many high profile athletes at Harvard so it’s not as juicy. The only reason this got as much press as it did was because of deadspin published it all because athletes were involved.</p>
<p>While it does shed a negative light on Duke, this isn’t much different than a Sex and the City episode. A consenting adult has 3 “partners” a year and writes detailed information about them without their knowledge or approval. Certainly not the wisest thing, but I’ve heard of worse. People have had “lists” for years - just because it was written in a certain “thesis” format, at Duke, and about athletes, is why it’s gotten so much publicity.</p>
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<p>The first “sexual escapade” was simply hiring a stripper. While perhaps you look down upon that action, a lot of 20-year old men have seen strippers. There was no sex involved - just a rogue prosecutor that tried to railroad them. The State AG declared them innocent completely. It’s not like they didn’t have enough evidence to convict so just couldn’t go forward with the case - he was convinced nothing happened as there was not a SINGLE piece of evidence to support it. At Michigan State, there was reportedly a rape last month by one of the basketball players and even one of the teammates said it happened; yet the charges have been dropped. I don’t know the details around it, but it seems like the media likes to hype up Duke stories for some reason.</p>
<p>The social scene of Duke is basically the same as UPenn or Dartmouth, for example. Except that there are more high profile sports, so I guess that affects student life (in overwhelmingly positive ways for the most part). This definitely fuels stereotypes about Duke that aren’t positive, I won’t dispute that. Just saying that if you think Duke is different than any other school in this regard, you are being naive. If your child wants to seek out that lifestyle at the university of his or her choosing, they can. If they don’t want it, it’s pretty easy to not be a part of and that is definitely the “default” and norm behavior.</p>
<p>This could happen at any campus, and does- it’s just that it is not written about and publicized most places. The author now says she regrets it and that the expose was supposed to be among friends. The problem here is that many people just don’t get it; once it is printed on the internet it belongs to the world. I can’t believe that she truly believed this would not go beyond friends!</p>
<p>As for the first incidence with the LaCrosse team, I believe it has been proven that those students were totally rail-roaded and I believe members of the DA’s office were actually fired over the incident- after they ruined the reputations and careers of a few students. I would have no issues with my son applying to Duke. </p>
<p>I constantly remind my kids to be so cautious before they post ANTYHING on the Internet as once it is there, it cannot be removed. Facebook is viewed by employers, schools, coaches, etc. and one thoughtless posting could do a lot of damage!</p>
<p>Don’t you love the defenders of Duke: “simply hiring a stripper”; “you are being naive” if you “think Duke is different.” There is a culture at Duke (and Duke is not alone, I agree, but must take responsibility for itself, which it rarely does) of above-the-law-minded students whose “fun” takes priority over the effects that “fun” has on others–and too often the “others” are minorities, homosexuals (recent tearing down of gay flags on campus), etc. Why wouldn’t you question the role of big time athletics (with student-athletes who would not be on Duke’s campus if it was based solely on their academic merits) at Duke, its fraternity and drinking-dominated culture, and its rich-kid better-than-you atmosphere fostered there as contributing factors to these “incidents”? I know the Landon School in MD which produced so many of the recently publicized lacrosse student-athletes (at Duke and UVA) is considering what it might be doing in terms of culture and atmosphere to contribute to the terrible acts that its lacrosse alumni have engaged in…why not you, Duke?</p>
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<p>Two consenting adults having sex is “above the law”? The only “scandal” in this case was that it was leaked and then propagated by the press, so it was an invasion of privacy of the students named. Obviously, the student who wrote it shouldn’t have been so naive to think it couldn’t get out. But it’s not like having sex with 3 different guys in four consecutive years (I realize most drunken) is unheard of in our society. In any event, not going to respond to the rest of your post. Obviously, you didn’t enjoy your time and Duke and transferred. It happens…not everybody enjoys every school. </p>
<p>Enjoy Georgetown, which fits the “rich-kid better-than-you atmosphere” (your words) much better than Duke in my mind (after having lived in Georgetown as a recent grad for two years and having two of my closest friends go there; I still like it the school though, but definitely more pretentious than even Duke). Different strokes for different folks.</p>
<p>That’s right–different strokes for different folks. Certainly these aforementioned Duke students haven’t had a problem stroking themselves (and others)–without apology (and without the need, according to you).</p>
<p>I did enjoy Georgetown–it was a great place, with our own share of rich-kids (and a rich neighborhood) and problems; however, the campus culture is very different than at Duke, even though, demographically, the student bodies are similar–it is much more cosmpolitan, diverse in terms of social opportunities, integrated in terms of its diversity, and there is an emphasis on and tradition of service for others that is absent at Duke (which had a much greater self-serving atmosphere, consistent with what we are seeing in the “Duke scandals” as well as the day-to-day life there).</p>
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Sex isn’t the issue. Quite frankly, it’s none of our business whether the girl slept with one guy, one hundred guys, and none at all. It’s equally none of our business whether the sex was within a relationship, in the backseat of a car, or involved marshmallows and animal crackers.</p>
<p>Any scandal in this case is the identification of the individuals described. The pictures don’t leave much to the imagination if you’re friends with those guys, so I’d imagine at least some people know who some of them are. Her release of such information - even accidentally - shows a spectacular lack of judgment. I’m equally displeased with the lack of judgment shown by various blogs and news agencies that didn’t show the slightest hesitation in reproducing those photographs, a poorly considered and selfish act of their own.</p>
<p>The guys in the “thesis” have my sympathy. Realistically, one cannot expect a hook-up to be kept secret, but the degree of detail and publicity of this instance make it extremely unusual. My sympathy also goes to the author of the “thesis,” who showed a lapse in judgment that will quite possibly cost her dearly. </p>
<p>As for prospective students…sex happens at Duke. A lot of it. This is college, and it happens. If you are shocked, or if that upsets you, do not come here. Period. Try Wabash, Harding, Wheaton, or any number of other places. If, on the other hand, you have the intelligence to recognize that you - and you alone - are responsible for your own actions and are willing to accept that responsibility by mingling with people who may or may not think and act as you do, then by all means, apply.</p>
<p>Haha, hoyasaxa just moves from thread to thread trying his hardest to bash duke anywhere he can.</p>
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Actually, it seems that a lot less sex occurs at Duke than most people/students think.</p>
<p>47% One sexual partner in the last year
33% No sex in the last year
10% Two sexual partners in the last year
10% Three or more sexual partners in the last year</p>
<p>[Study</a> sheds light on Duke hook-up culture | The Chronicle](<a href=“http://dukechronicle.com/article/study-sheds-light-duke-hook-culture]Study”>Study sheds light on Duke hook-up culture - The Chronicle)</p>
<p>Arzachel–I took a look at your other posts–doesn’t seem like you can tolerate any negative comments about Duke or people who choose other institutions over Duke…don’t worry, this seems to be a pretty pervasive feature of most Duke students, so you’re well-suited there. This inability to see anything negative about the place is clearly rooted in a huge inferiority complex and is a large part of the driving force of Dukies’ enthusiasm for the school. It’s OK that you didn’t get in to HPYSM (and probably Dartmouth, Penn, Columbia, Amherst, etc. either)–Duke is absolutely fine…</p>
<p>^ I consider myself matured to a point where I’m pretty tolerant of criticisms of Duke. To be perfectly honest, it’s not a perfect place. It has its good things and it has its bad things. As a pretty religious person, I’ll be the first to admit that many of the social aspects of the Duke culture is frankly offending even when not considering the damage to Duke’s image, and this latest scandal just exemplifies one of those aspects. However was that post absolutely necessary? Sure, you want to needle Arzachel, provoke him/her to new heights of indignation, etc. But can we do that without crossing the line between constructive (and sometimes deserved criticism) and plain ■■■■■■■■?</p>
<p>You, as an adult, has a beef with a school that you (I presume) didn’t go to and feels that posting it on CC is the best way to air your opinions. Fine. But let’s be reasonable, responsible adults and keep it civil please.</p>
<p>Lol, the fact that you took the time to go through the posting history of a stranger on the internet shows that you have nothing better to do than start touble just because you have a chip on your shoulder after failing to fit in at Duke.</p>
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I’m a prospective student and this also effects my view about Duke’s social culture. The Lacrosse Scandal and this incident don’t paint the university in a positive light, even if they do occur in other universities.</p>
<p>there’s nothing wrong with duke’s social culture.
drinking and sex are fun and a big part of the social culture at most colleges (with exceptions, like byu)
duke does an amazing job at combining that fun social culture with top-notch academics, and that’s a big reason for why i wanna go there in the first place.
people looking down on this…this happpens in college. not exclusively duke.</p>
<p>There was no “Lacrosse Scandal.” There was a Rape Hoax, which occurred because a stripper falsely alleged she had been raped (by students who happened to be lacrosse players, but might just as well have been tennis players or video game players.) And then there was the real scandal, which was the lynch mob reaction of the Duke administration and a large segment of the faculty who presumed the students guilty and threw them under the proverbial bus.</p>
<p>Some Duke lacrosse players have behaved poorly (without character), even if they did not break the law (although some clearly have, as have other Duke athletes and students, many of whom are more famous or infamous than the lacrosse players). The Duke administration also behaved poorly in response to the unfortunate situations the lacrosse players “found themselves” in (don’t forget, they did hire a stripper…I guess not all of them were having sex like the recent scandal has suggested, and it does get kind of boring if your social life is just drinking alcohol…I guess they were trying there best with what they had available to them (cash, booze) to create some fun in Durham). There is a lack of responsibility, however, taken by the student-athletes and the Duke students generally that is part of the campus culture–and it is that campus culture that the Duke administration should be trying to address (as UVa is doing in its attempts to look at itself in light of the recent murder by another lacrosse player who, by the way, was actively recruited by Duke). This is where criticism of the university and its student body is most valid.</p>
<p>There you go, just bashing Duke again. We get it. You dont like Duke. Thats fine. Just stop ■■■■■■■■ and lurking on Dukes threads just because you hold a grudge against your former school. Duke is not, like everywhere else, right for everyone. Just move on with your life. Seriously.</p>
<p>NCBoy1—I know the truth is hard to swallow, but why don’t you stop criticizing me and start addressing the issues.</p>