Lay Person Prestige

<p>What are the most prestigious colleges in terms of lay man prestige. Top 10 colleges for the average joe in my opinion are :-</p>

<p>1 Harvard
2 Yale
3 Princeton/Stanford/MIT
4 Columbia Duke Brown
5 Dartmouth NU Chicago
6 Penn Cornell
7 WUSTL JHU</p>

<p>Not in terms of quality just petty Prestige.
If quality was a factor Penn would be at 4 along with the others but unfortunately the Penn State fiasco is hampering our Lay Prestige not that it really matters as long as we are prestigious in the eyes of the people who count. I am asking this out of a morbid curiosity rather than anything else.</p>

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<p>There really is no need to start another thread.</p>

<p>I think you’re kidding yourself to place Penn that high in “lay prestige.” It has close to zero name recognition outside the Northeast, except among a handful of elite college alums, elite college wannabe HS students, and their parents. Most people here in the Midwest would just assume the University of Pennsylvania is a state school, and probably a relatively undistinguished one because, unlike Penn State, they’ve never heard of it.</p>

<p>I think WUSTL would rank about #250 among average Joes. Notre Dame, Naval Academy, West Point, Air Force Academy, and NYU would be way above WUSTL…lots of average Joes are Catholic and/or served in the military. Also, NYU SOUNDS like it must be prestigious.</p>

<p>Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, MIT, Notre Dame, Duke and the military academies are far more well known to the Average Joe than any other American school in my experience.</p>

<p>1 Harvard
2 Yale/Stanford
3 Princeton/MIT
4 Columbia/Duke/Brown/Chicago/Dartmouth/Penn
5 NU/Cornell
6 JHU
what’s WUSTL?</p>

<p>I’ve always felt that Georgetown and Berkeley have A LOT of layman prestige.</p>

<p>Georgetown does have a lot of layman prestige due to the school’s perceived political connections. It’s pretty close to the 7 I mentioned actually.</p>

<p>This is all completely irrelevant unless you specify what part of the country.</p>

<p>A lot of northern bias on this thread.</p>

<p>Geez, I always joke the average Joe focuses on college sports rankings.</p>

<p>Hmm I think MIT would be tied at second with Stanford–definitely ahead of Yale. Everybody knows MIT.</p>

<p>A Gallup poll found that overall, in all areas of the country, it goes</p>

<p>Harvard
Yale=Stanford
MIT
Berkeley=Princeton=Notre Dame</p>

<p>Each will be more prestigious in certain areas. The only three schools that are at the top in prestige in all parts of the country are Harvard, Stanford, and Yale.</p>

<p>And among college-educated people, Gallup found:</p>

<p>Harvard=Stanford

Yale
MIT
Berkeley=Princeton=Michigan</p>

<p>[Harvard</a> Number One University in Eyes of Public](<a href=“Harvard Number One University in Eyes of Public”>Harvard Number One University in Eyes of Public)</p>

<p>Curious to see how perceptions have changed from 8 years ago.</p>

<p>Things like prestige change very slowly. Gallup did a similar poll before 2003 and it wasn’t very different, and other more recent surveys (by other organizations) have found the same.</p>

<p>"And among college-educated people, Gallup found:</p>

<p>Harvard=Stanford

Yale
MIT
Berkeley=Princeton=Michigan"</p>

<p>This seems about right. College educated people are much more knowledgeable about these things. :-)</p>

<p>My guess is public perceptions are about the same as 8 years ago. </p>

<p>Interesting how public perceptions don’t track US News rankings, with the “lesser Ivies” and other elite privates (apart from HYPSM) barely registering a blip. Combined 1st and 2nd place responses:</p>

<p>Harvard 24%
Stanford 11
Yale 11
MIT 6
UC-Berkeley 4
Notre Dame 4
Princeton 4
Michigan 3
Duke 3
UCLA 3
Texas 2
Texas A&M 2
Ohio State 2
UNC Chapel Hill 2
Penn State 2
Penn 2
All others 1% or less</p>

<p>I’m honestly surprised Penn runs even with Penn State in this survey, but I guess Penn ranked that high because of its relatively strong showing in the Northeast where 5% ranked it #1 or #2 (same as Penn State).</p>

<p>And the regional rankings are interesting, with Harvard #1 in all regions, HYS making the top 5 in all regions, even mighty Princeton falling out of the top 5 in every region except the Northeast, MIT showing strong only on the Coasts, and Michigan easily besting regional rivals Chicago and Northwestern in the Midwest (Michigan at 9%, right behind Stanford’s 10% and Yale’s 11%, while Chicago and Northwestern don’t make the Midwest’s top 5). </p>

<p>I keep saying that the lay “prestige” of Ivy League schools other than HYP is vastly overrated and largely a regional thing, mainly confined to the Northeast (and the Gallup survey suggests even P’s extra-regional reach is suspect). And the lay “prestige” of elite publics like Chicago, Northwestern, Johns Hopkins, WUSTL, Rice, Vanderbilt, Emory, Georgetown, etc. is virtually non-existent; they register just a tiny blip nationally, and are not ranked in the top 5 even within their own regions.</p>

<p>There may be very good reasons to attend these schools. “Prestige,” at least if you mean by that name recognition and a favorable view among the general public, is not one of them. HYSM offer prestige on a national scale. Princeton, Penn, Penn State, Michigan, Notre Dame, Duke, UC Berkeley, and UCLA offer prestige on a regional scale—though among these schools, UC Berkeley at 11% in the West and Michigan at 9% in the Midwest make the strongest prestige showings in their home regions. The rest offer a good education.</p>

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<p>I also think it’s interesting that the results of the Gallup poll are much closer to the US News rankings in their early days, when public schools were ranked higher. That also goes to show how little the US News rankings affect schools’ prestige (i.e. their rankings have been differing from public opinion for a long time and it hasn’t changed how the public views these schools). You could make the argument that that’s exactly why US News ranks the way it does: if it just followed public perception, they wouldn’t sell nearly as much.</p>

<p>Though not many people care, I wonder what people in the Montana-Wyoming-etc. area think. I once met someone from Montana who had never heard of Stanford, Yale, etc. but she knew that Harvard was prestigious.</p>

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<p>No doubt some people in Montana and Wyoming have never heard of Stanford, but generally speaking more people in the Rocky Mountain states apply to Stanford than to Harvard. We have a rough proxy for number of applicants to elite schools: the College Board tells us how many students from each state send SAT score reports (including SAT Subject Test scores) to various colleges. No doubt some send score reports but don’t complete their applications, and some elect to send ACT scores in lieu of both SAT I and SAT II scores (as some elite colleges permit). Stanford doesn’t actually require SAT II scores, though it strongly recommends them, so most applicants send them. Among 2009 college-bound Montana residents, 86 sent SAT score reports to Stanford. Only 44 sent SAT score reports to Harvard (and Harvard does require SAT Subject Test scores from all applicants). 41 sent SAT score reports to Cornell, 37 to Princeton, 36 to Dartmouth, 34 to Yale, 30 to Brown, 30 to MIT, 27 to NYU, and 26 to Notre Dame. No other elite college made the top 50 for Montana.</p>

<p>Similar story in Wyoming but on a smaller scale, given the state’s smaller population: 15 to Stanford, 10 to Harvard, 9 to UC Berkeley, 9 to Georgetown, 9 to Duke, 8 to WUSTL, 7 to UCLA, 7 to MIT, 6 to Northwestern, 6 to USC, 6 to Colorado College, and 5 each to UNC Chapel Hill, Columbia, Yale, Johns Hopkins, and Brown.</p>

<p>In Idaho it’s Stanford 159, Harvard 80, UC Berkeley 69, Yale and MIT 66 apiece, Cornell 58, Princeton 52, USC 50, Brown 45.</p>

<p>In Colorado, Stanford 616, Cornell 323, USC 317, Harvard 315, UC Berkeley 307, UCLA 291, Princeton 282, Brown 269, MIT 254, Yale 245.</p>

<p>Utah: Stanford 195, Harvard 136, UC Berkeley 92, Princeton 90, UCLA 87, USC 82, MIT 81, Cornell 76, Yale 76.</p>

<p>Stanford just dominates the West. Schools like Penn and Dartmouth just don’t register much of an impact in that region. This whole admissions game is a lot more regional than many people care to admit.</p>

<p>I guess I never understand why Lay-person prestige matters. A poll of college graduates would be far more useful. A school like Dartmouth or Penn might not resonate with the local cashier but look for a job and network with educated people and the brand name goes far.</p>