<p>…oh my god. </p>
<p>and i thought i averted an impending doom when i was the first to reply to this thread.</p>
<p>come on, kids, go on and continue massaging your e-peens.</p>
<p>Acceptance Rates</p>
<p>Brown: 10.8%
Dartmouth: 12.0%</p>
<p>Penn: 17.1%
Cornell: 19.1%</p>
<p>Pretty large gap. Dartmouth (especially( and Brown beat Penn in almost every element of selectivity, from acceptance rate to SAT scores.</p>
<p>Ranks</p>
<p>Penn - 6
Columbia - 8</p>
<p>Brown - 16</p>
<p>Pretty large gap indeed</p>
<p>^admitone, I’m sure what happened with acceptances at your school defines the acceptances of all other schools</p>
<p>I added some fitting tags to this thread, you like?</p>
<p>In conclusion: Harvard, Yale, and Princeton are at the very top and nothing will change that in the foreseeable future. Cornell is at the bottom (although it has awesome specialty schools and programs and is an incredible, incredible school). The others are in the middle, and their priority in there varies on a yearly basis.</p>
<p>Keep in mind, this is for undergrad and undergrad only.</p>
<p>Brown is probably the least prestigious Ivy League graduate school, though.</p>
<p>Cornell is up there where it matters: architecture, CAS, and engineering.</p>
<p>The rankings don’t go 8. Cornell 9. Southwest Missouri State… </p>
<p>It’s an excellent school.</p>
<p>But we’re looking at this from a prestige point of view.</p>
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<p>[National</a> Universities Rankings - Best Colleges - Education - US News and World Report](<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/college/national-search]National”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/college/national-search)</p>
<p>If you want to look at this from a prestige point of view, the rankings go:</p>
<ol>
<li>Cornell.</li>
<li>Johns Hopkins.</li>
<li>Brown.</li>
</ol>
<p>Pretty sure those aren’t prestige rankings.</p>
<p>I don’t go to Brown… I go to Yale. And this thread is annoying because it is clearly a ■■■■■ thread.</p>
<p>However, if you are looking for an answer, the answer is definitely NOT Brown. Brown may not be the best known, but it is definitely not the ‘least prestigious,’ as evidenced by the fact that it has a low admit rate, high SAT average, and students select it over Dartmouth, Cornell, Penn, etc.</p>
<p>Let’s get something straight:</p>
<p>Cornell is 13,510 UNDERGRADS and Penn has 10,153. To put things in perspective, you could fit more than 2 times the number of Brown or Yale undergrads into Cornell. Also, if you are then looking at undergrad+grads, you could fit 2 Yale’s into Cornell/Penn and nearly 3 Brown’s.</p>
<p>Do you really think they are on the same level of selectivity and academic intellectualism?!?! On a PER CAPITA basis, Penn/Cornell are not close to the rest in terms of their productivity.</p>
<p>Also, first of all, US News is a load of crap, but secondly Brown is THE MOST UNDERRANKED school on US News. John’s Hopkins vs. Brown?!?! Come ON!</p>
<p>I chose Penn over Brown (and Dart/Columbia). Another poster (the infamous muerte) put it best with this comparison:
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<p>Bottom line: you can’t really compare the middle ivies with Cornell. Sure, Penn is less prestigious than Yale; but not significantly.</p>
<p>Be careful when making comparisons. Figures regarding the matriculating students always differ than those for accepted students - which is what what is being compared in the post immediately above. If you could but find Penn’s Common Data Set figures on their website, you might be apple to compare apples to apples.</p>
<p>That’s true, ohmadre and alvie; since I wrote that post, I got my hands on a USNews book. The actual SAT numbers for Penn are actually slightly higher (1445 I believe), while the % of top decile students is slightly lower (96% in top decile, still 5.5% higher than Dartmouth, and also significantly higher than Columbia and Brown).</p>
<p>The truth about all of this is, I’m often unimpressed with students from all 4 of these schools: Columbia, Brown, Dartmouth and Penn. They aren’t as generally mediocre as Cornell kids, and usually were ranked higher in HS and had higher SAT scores, etc., but too often they’re just academic drones. </p>
<p>Sure, every school has its pocket of intellectually curious students, but it appears to be much larger at Yale than anywhere else. All the people who attend these colleges are very smart and motivated - but only Yale really seems to stand apart in terms of actual breadth of knowledge in both humanities and sciences, people who can really carry these far-ranging conversations.</p>
<p>In terms of least prestigious:
Undergrad:
the state schools at Cornell
Grad:
many of Brown’s programs (even Dartmouth has a top-10 B-school)</p>
<p>Actually, Brown is significantly stronger, overall, as a graduate school than Dartmouth. Every rankings organization I can think of, Gourman, Vanguard, U.S. News rankings of best universitites in the world, has Dartmouth as the weakest of the Ivies graduate school wise. Sure, Tuck’s an excellent business school, but can you name anything else at Dartmouth that, graduate school wise, is top ten? For Brown, you have an excellent computer science program, superb applied math, outstanding planetary geology, excellent languages, etc. In fact, the lunar explorer that was just launched has a strong Brown representation to map the moon’s surface for a prospective manned landing in the future.</p>
<p>This thread is stupid but Dartmouth.</p>
<p>Prestige is relative. If you want to work at Goldman Sachs in the investment banking division, go to 1. Wharton 2. Columbia 3. Harvard</p>
<p>If you want to get into sales & trading/hedge funds go to 1. MIT 2. Harvard 3. Wharton 4. Princeton </p>
<p>If you want to get into McKinsey/Bain/BCG go to 1. Harvard 2. Stanford 3. Rest of the ivies/top 15 with top-notch grades</p>
<p>Yale > Penn CAS in undergrad prestige
Penn >> Yale in Engineering
Penn > Yale Medicine
Penn >>> Yale for the MBA degree and MBA network
Yale >= Penn in corporate law and Yale >>> Penn for law academia/clerkships </p>
<p>Brown is not generally in the same league as these two at the graduate level but it has very good CS, math and applied math depts.</p>
<p>cmburns you talk a lot for stuff that you’re inventing. </p>
<p>All the GS and hedge fund mckinsey crap is wrong. You shouldn’t be making comparisons when you cannot really say at all with actual stats. And there’s also self-selection: it may be that way more Penn grads apply to ibanking jobs, for instance, but it is easier for a student from Brown to get one. I have heard from many people that Wharton undergrads, for instance, are often annoying because they are too specialized and driven in business but understand less about other areas. I have also heard, for instance, that Annapolis and West Point are great schools for recruiting… not schools often mentioned by ppl like you.</p>
<p>Also, I don’t know why you’re now trying to go into Penn v. Yale in the Brown forum; probably just had to try and boost Penn. </p>
<p>However, fyi, your rankings are completely biased. I could easily argue the following:
Y>>>Penn in prestige (after all, everyone knows HYPS most and probably HY most)
Penn > Yale in Engineering (both not top 10 so difference is not as substantial)
Penn ? Yale Medicine (both good quality, difficult to make comparisons in med schools at that level)
Penn >> Yale (Wharton is a top school but why are you comparing a business school to a school that didn’t even offer an mba degree five years ago and historically has catered to nonprofit work, i.e. Yale School for Management? Note that it is call the School of Management, not Yale Business School. Also Yale SOM is 10th ranked and Wharton is no longer top 2)
Yale >>> Penn in corporate and academic law (Do you know anything about Yale Law School? It has NEVER been ranked anything other than number 1 on US news, and is far smaller and historically more elite than even Harvard Law School)</p>
<p>And you could have very easily arbitarily added the categories:
Yale >>> Penn in architecture
Yale >>> Penn in drama
Yale >>> Penn in music
Yale >>> Penn in history
Yale >>> Penn in english
Yale >>> Penn in mathematics
Yale >>> Penn in political science
Yale >>> Penn in classics
etc etc</p>
<p>Cmburns, I’m merely making the point that doing this type of a subjective and arbitrary ranking is useless. What do we get out of it?!?! Little but the author’s personal prejudices.</p>
<p>This thread officially has some of the most hilariously misguided and useless posts on this forum.</p>
<p>I honestly think boards like /b/ are missing out by going after the highly religious boards and weird fetish webpages instead of ■■■■■■■■ CC. I’ve never seen more successful ■■■■■■■■ anywhere than on this site.</p>
<p>UPenn and Cornell</p>