Lecture by Harvard Biology Ph.D. on Creationism

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You forfeited all legitimacy when you likened challenging evolution, a frivolous but largely danger free pseudo-academic pursuit, to denying the horrors of the Holocaust. Please do yourself a favor and either find a better analogy or just admit that you were way off base.

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<p>I fail to see how he ‘forfeited all legitimacy’ (aside from the Internet’s definition of ‘Godwin’d’) when he made this analogy. Since you’ve missed the point (or, more likely, have simply side-stepped it to continue your attack), the basic gist was, “It’s impossible to have a complete understanding of the topic without understanding this (rather significant) portion of it.”</p>

<p>As for ‘challenging evolution’ being largely danger-free, I’d laugh if it weren’t so serious. I’m assuming you’ve never heard of the Discovery Institute and their Wedge Document, whose basic purpose is, in a nutshell, to uproot the current ‘materialist’ worldview and replace it with one that has the Christian god at its center.</p>

<p>I have no problem with religion. I have no problem with somebody having a PhD in biology, or any discipline, who is devout in their faith (the program director of cellular/molecular biology at my school is such a person, and is one of the most enlightening people I’ve ever had the good fortune to speak to). What I DO have a problem with is the subversive tactics of undergoing a rigorous program, intended to enable someone to push the current boundaries of modern knowledge, with the intent of using the credentials earned to drag us back into the Dark Ages of scholarly thought.</p>

<p>You and I may see this as laughable–after all, we’ve had years of training in the methods and mechanisms of evolution, and dozens of examples that all but prove evolution a reality. Many people believe this, however, or do not know how to counter these very tantalizing (and utterly wrong) tidbits thrown to them: irreducible complexity is one of many.</p>

<p>I feel the need to stress that this is not simply “psuedo-academics”, this is a group of people attempting to gain influence to mislead and force their way into science education and public policy. And, if Kansas, Texas, and Dover are any examples, they have come dangerously close to succeeding.</p>

<p>Denialism is denialism. Feel free to substitute your own analogy about publicly denying plain facts central to the subject of one’s thesis.</p>

<p>I think rejection of rational thought is dangerous, no matter what the subject, although I agree that some forms of denialism are more morally repugnant than others.</p>

<p>For an analogy that jmleadpipe will perhaps like better - it’s like graduating from a top physics PhD program while rejecting gravity, or from a top astronomy program while believing in a geocentric solar system. While people have every right to deny evolution or gravity, it certainly signifies that they should not be receiving a PhD in a subject in which those constitute basic facts.</p>

<p>These people might not get far in their careers anyway… thankfully. Can you imagine how biased their “research” would be?</p>

<p>This reminded me of this: “Creationist Postdoc Loses Lawsuit” (after being fired from his job for saying he denies evolution, the killer is the lab he worked in, studying |the evolution of molecular mechanisms of chemical signaling and adaptation to chemical exposure|
[Creationist</a> postdoc loses lawsuit :The Scientist [29th April 2008]](<a href=“http://www.the-scientist.com/blog/display/54616/]Creationist”>http://www.the-scientist.com/blog/display/54616/)</p>

<p>This reminds me of a documentary that came out recently by Ben Stein called “Expelled”. It too purports the creationist ideas as some sort of competing theory to evolution. It criticizes academia for oppressing the minority viewpoint and persecuting the lone scientist avengers that crusade for the holy truth of creationism. It’s also rubbish. It engendered somewhat of a backlash [Expelled</a> Exposed: Why Expelled Flunks](<a href=“http://www.expelledexposed.com%5DExpelled”>http://www.expelledexposed.com)</p>

<p>While I agree with most of the posts, especially the ones on the case of the PhD student, one might go to Harvard for many reasons. “Then why the hell would you go to a school that offers a degree in evolutionary biology?” I don’t have to agree with every single one of Obama’s policies to vote for him.</p>

<p>But this guy was going to Harvard for a biology degree. That’s not like voting for Obama, that’s like running his campaign.</p>

<p>He goes so he can graduate and say, look, I am an ‘expert’, I have a degree in this… but I think it is bunk. This gives his opinion more weight. Like this woman: [YouTube</a> - Shermer & Purdom Interview at Creation Museum](<a href=“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_CLIGJW6Ic]YouTube”>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_CLIGJW6Ic). This Harvard dude, he is like the tons of MD’s who write books that are absolute ********. Deepak Chopra for me being the most nauseating.</p>