<p>Alright, so I don't have hard data. I'm just going off of what I know from my experience, but I know that a majority of CCers would agree with me. Hopefully a CCer can come up with hard data that proves our belief that MIT is harder to get into than Caltech.</p>
<p>Even if MIT is (not too sure bout it though), what about stanford? I am concerned not only with MIT but with HYPS also(ie tier 1 according to darnshorty)..
But that isn't the point..the point is because it appears easier(based on acceptance rates) to get into caltech than MIT, stanford and the likes is not a good enough reason for caltech to not be in tier 1..it belongs in tier 1..</p>
<p>Also, I did not imply that it is harder to get into caltech than to get into MIT..I think they are almost equally hard to get into and that there will be a proportionate number of MIT rejects at caltech as there will be caltech rejects at MIT..</p>
<p>Dude, you need to chill out. Caltech's an awseome, super selective school, and is definitley at the same academic level of MIT. This debate is pointless, and the only opinion that really matters is your own.</p>
<p>Last comment on this thread: why is everyone ranking UCLA and Berkeley above Pomona...those schools are safties for students at Pomona....and probobly cmc too...</p>
<p>Last list:</p>
<ol>
<li>Stanford</li>
<li>Caltech, Pomona, Harvey Mudd</li>
<li>Claremont Mckenna</li>
<li>UC Berkeley and UCLA</li>
</ol>
<p>Adios, *****es</p>
<p>Because UC Berk and UCLA are bigger universities with much wider offerings, even more than the combined Claremont Colleges put together. People are just not used to the idea of the lesser known LAC above an internationally and locally renowned Research Uni.</p>
<p>If you restrict it to undergraduate, I'd agree with your list by and large, but I'll put UCLA below Berkeley, and CMC together with Pomona and Mudd. Haha maybe Caltech should be second? I'm always kind of in awe of that school.</p>
<p>This should be a fair one: non anti-California.....</p>
<p>Group 1:</p>
<p>Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, MIT, Caltech </p>
<p>Group 2:</p>
<p>Amherst, Williams, Brown, Pomona, Dartmouth, UPenn, Swarthmore, Columbia, Duke, Rice, Harvey Mudd, UChicago, Northwestern</p>
<p>Group 3:</p>
<p>Middlebury, Bowdoin, Claremont Mckenna, WUSTL, Georgetown, Cornell </p>
<p>Group 4:</p>
<p>Carleton, Berkeley, USC, UCLA, UVA, Vassar, Tufts, Wesleyan, Davidson, Haverford</p>
<p>Here you go, viewpoints from a Texan, not including LAC's:</p>
<p>Undergraduate</p>
<p>Tier 1:
Stanford
Cal Tech</p>
<p>Tier 2:
USC
UC Berkeley/UCLA</p>
<p>Tier 3:
UCSD
UCSB
UC Davis</p>
<p>Tier 4:
Pepperdine
USD
UC Irvine</p>
<p>Tier 5:
UC Riverside
UC Santa Cruz
Santa Clara</p>
<p>darnshorty,</p>
<p>your grouping is based on your opinion, not us news ranking or factual stats like you claimed. otherwise, there's no way northwestern is lower than claremount mckenna and bowdoin. it's at least as good as wustl, georgetown, and cornell. this year, the incoming freshmen have average SAT of 1423 (1450 for college of arts and sciences), the latest mid-50% range is 10 pts higher than chicago. i could care less what your opinion is but if you claim that's based on some numbers, please do your research before claiming you have done so.</p>
<p>Tier 1:
Stanford
Cal Tech (engineering/science only)</p>
<p>Tier 2:
Berkeley/Pomona/Harvey Mudd (science/engineering only)</p>
<p>Tier 3:
USC/UCLA/Claremont</p>
<p>Tier 4:
UCSD/Pepperdine</p>
<p>Tier 5:
Others...</p>
<p>yeah i dont know much about cali universities...what are all the UCs?!?</p>
<ol>
<li>stanford</li>
<li>caltech (caltech is a great school, but i'm just not a science/engineering person)</li>
<li>berk</li>
<li>ucla</li>
</ol>
<p>These are just my personal preference
1) Stanford
2)UC San Diego
3)UC Irvine
4) USC
5) Cal</p>
<p>Narcissa, </p>
<p>UCs are probably some of the best universities in the world. There are nine (correct me if I am wrong) different campuses from as far south as San Diego to as far north as Davis and everywhere in between.
OH Yea, UC stands for the University of California :)</p>
<p>I like your list BlueDuckie :-) Prestige does not equal better school, which is why I disagree with people who think USC is leagues above UCSD. That's just my opinion though.</p>
<p>UCSD's Bioengineering tops USC's and UCLA's... Not sure about Cal though.</p>
<p>Tier 1: Stanford, Cal Tech, Pomona, Claremont McKenna
Tier 2: UCLA, UCB, USC, Harvey Mudd
Tier 3: UCSD, UCSB, UCI, UCD, Pepperdine, Occidental, Pitzer, Scripps
Tier 4: UCSC, Cal Poly, SDSU, Santa Clara, USD, LMU
Tier 5: UCR, UCM, St. Mary's, Redlands, Chapman, USF
Tier 6: All other privates and CSUs</p>
<p>UCSD BME rapes almost everyone</p>
<p>Berk's BME is meh</p>
<p>Anyway, in some sort of order -</p>
<p>Tier 1 - Stanford, CalTech, Berkeley =P
Tier 2 - UCLA, USC, Pomona/Claremont McKenna/Harvey Mudd, UCSD
Tier 3 - UCI, UCSB, Occidental?
Tier 4 - Other UCs, Cal States, and other schools (Chapman and whatnot)</p>
<p>Universities:
Stanford
Berkeley
UCLA/USC
UCSD
UCI/UCSB/UCD</p>
<p>Techs and LACs:
Caltech
Pomona/Harvey Mudd
Claremont McKenna
Cal Poly San Luis Obispo
Oxy
Cal Poly Pomona</p>
<p>^^ I think that's the most accurate. You really can't compare narrow colleges like Caltech and Harvey Mudd to giant research powerhouses like UCLA and Stanford. Stanford's student body would crush any of those LACs, just for sheer size. =p</p>
<p>^ Why thank you. ;)</p>