<p>They are getting more serious about improving student quality over quantity.</p>
<p>News</a> & Events - News Article - Liberty University</p>
<p>They are getting more serious about improving student quality over quantity.</p>
<p>News</a> & Events - News Article - Liberty University</p>
<p>Liberty U’s stated mission is “To Train Champions For Christ?” Oh boy . . .</p>
<p>You want religious or not? It’s a free choice.</p>
<p>^That’s a fair point. I am a practicing Christian, but Liberty’s mission sounds like religious zealotry to me. I certainly wouldn’t send my child there, but that doesn’t mean that it’s not a perfect choice for others.</p>
<p>For Fall 2007, Liberty’s acceptance rate was [over</a> 94%](<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/college/highest-acceptance-rate]over”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/college/highest-acceptance-rate), according to US News. So if they are changing their admissions policies, it pretty much has to be in the direction of more selectivity. There’s not much room to move in the other direction.</p>
<p>^That’s not necessarily an indicator of poor academic quality. There are many reasonably well ranked public universities that have very liberal acceptance rates – the tradeoff is that freshman attrition rates are also usually high.</p>
<p>I can recall when NYU was pretty much open admissions. So were lots of good state U’s.</p>
<p>Some state U’s still are. By law. But to this point …
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<p>Name 1. Name 5. To the contrary, even publics that are viewed as well ranked have no liberal acceptance policies. The lower level students go to UNC-Pembroke, Penn State-Altoona, Cal St.-San Marcos. To get to Ann Arbor or State College or Gainesville in year #1, you’d best be top shelf.</p>
<p>To a different point, though …Why would a Christian college be anything but zealous about it’s mission for spreading the Gospel? Scripture says God hates luke-warm. Spit out like a cup of cold coffee. Absent passion, bag it. </p>
<p>But gbesq’s POV is precisely that of Saul prior to his name change. And as brilliant and learned as he was, he did not get it either. Intellect and education aside, why would we think gbesq, and many others, would be any different? Or absent from today’s world? Indeed, somethings never change. </p>
<p>And that’s why Liberty and its sister institutions have loads of business. Their grads will forever and eternally have 100% employment upon graduation. And doing the most critical work in the world!:D</p>
<p>May one day gb,esq simply be GB …God’s Boy. He needs to go fishing more with these Libertarians he seeks to demean! They’ve the tools that can help him see. </p>
<p>Yeaahhh…didn’t Liberty get kicked out of NACCAP several years ago (over 5) for unethical recruitment practices (or at least ones that violated NACCAP’s recruitment policies)??? There are reasons why families who are seriously looking at Christian schools should consider whether or not Christian colleges are members of NACCAP or CCCU.</p>
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<p>Well now, let’s see. How about the University of Kansas and the University of Missouri-Columbia, for starters. Both of those public flagships are ranked in USNWR’s Tier I for National Universities, and both have many respectable programs. And both have extremely liberal admissions rates – over 90%. And my guess is that their 40,000+ combined undergraduates would get a little testy with you characterizing their schools as “also rans.” What say you to that, Whistle Pig? And as to your suggestion that I spend more time fishing with the Libertarians, thanks, but no thanks. There are plenty of colleges and universities with a religious focus that impress me – Notre Dame, Holy Cross, Providence College, to name a few. Liberty University isn’t one of them.</p>
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I’d concur with virtually all you’ve said. Both Kansas and Mizzou are very fine flagship universities with loads of good professors. And both are in states with relatively smaller populations than others like Berkeley, Penn State, Michigan, which may very well allow even for late admission to Lawrence or Columbia. Those same students would not be admitted now to Michigan, Penn State, Cal, UCLA, Texas, VA, UNC, GA, FL, KY, and a whole bunch of others …at least at main campus for fall. And neither would be generally mentioned with most of those and others …WA, VT, NH, VA Tech, MN, WI, MSU, and some more. That is not to denigrate these places or their students. Obviously many see them as fine institutions. And both have great hoop teams and even decent football over the past 2-3 seasons, which doesn’t mean anything, of course.</p>
<p>Just one clarification. Twas you who called them “also rans.” Let the hoards take out their vengeance on you. :eek: ;)</p>
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It’s true that KU and Mizzou have very high acceptance rates. But it doesn’t necessarily follow that their admissions policies are “extremely liberal”. Most high school graduates in their respective states would not qualify for admission.</p>
<p>The real reason that these schools (and certain other public schools) accept nearly all of their applicants is because they have relatively simple and explicit acceptance criteria, typically based on GPA, SAT/ACT, and class rank. If you meet these criteria, you can assume that you will be automatically accepted. If you don’t, you can assume that you will be automatically rejected. </p>
<p>So prospective students can easily weigh their chances of admission in advance, based on these criteria. With few exceptions, only those who meet the necessary criteria apply, so the acceptance rates are naturally very high.</p>
<p>For example, Mizzou [url=<a href=“http://admissions.missouri.edu/howtoapply/freshman/requirements.php]explicitly[/url”>http://admissions.missouri.edu/howtoapply/freshman/requirements.php]explicitly[/url</a>] states that “you meet the requirements for admission” if your SAT or ACT scores are above certain levels, and you have completed the required high school curriculum. If your SAT or ACT scores are lower, you also must meet certain explicit requirements for class rank. Most students considering Mizzou will naturally check to see whether or not they meet these criteria before they apply. And if they don’t, they will probably not bother to submit the application.</p>
<p>So the high acceptance rates at public schools like KU and Mizzou are misleading. In fact, these schools are relatively selective; they just screen out the unqualified candidates before they submit applications, rather than afterwards.</p>
<p>The only semi-decent state school that has a high admission that I can think of is Arizona State.</p>
<p>Now that’s pretty silly and ridiculous.</p>
<p>While Corbett illustrates interesting points, he did not reveal the primary reason those students are accepted. While there is a line of demarcation identifying admits vs. rejections, the primary reason is most often that state law requires admission for in-state residents meeting those measures. Beyond felony convictions for murder, rape, or other atrocities, they MUST be admitted. Virtually no discretion. Purely political in that regard.</p>
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Sure. That’s exactly why I used the term “automatic” to describe admissions and rejection in such cases. </p>
<p>The point, however, is that a school with a very high (90+%) acceptance rate can still be considered academically selective, if it only solicits applications from prospective students meeting certain minimum academic standards. It doesn’t matter whether the standards are set by state law or by internal university policy. </p>
<p>So it doesn’t make sense to compare the 90+% acceptance rate at Mizzou with the 90+% acceptance rate at Liberty (as was done in posts above). In the former case, the acceptance rate has to be considered in light of the minimum academic standards. In the latter case, there is no apparent academic minimum (although there are presumably certain minimum standards for religious conviction). </p>
<p>So while both schools have comparably high acceptance rates, Mizzou would still be regarded as a much more selective school, as far as typical academic rankings are concerned. Mizzou’s 90+% acceptance rate translates into an ACT range for enrolled students of 23-29. Liberty’s 90+% acceptance rate translates into an ACT range of only 18-23 (numbers from collegeboard).</p>