<p>I did one year of university (but I did bad) in my Country, and after I spent one year on the US studying English (not ESL classes, my school was not accredited with universities).
During this year I'm still a student on my university... but I want to apply to some colleges in the US like a freshman.
Do you think the will find it out? I want to be sure (at least 90%) that they will have difficultly to understand it. I'm almost 21 years old, can they be suspicious about it?</p>
<p>Being a freshman it would be easier to take merit scholarships.</p>
<p>If they find out that you are lying in the application process, they can reject your application.</p>
<p>If they find out that you lied after you have been accepted, they can rescind your acceptance.</p>
<p>If they find out that you lied after you have begun your studies, they can expel you permanently.</p>
<p>If they find out that you lied after awarding you a scholarship, they can ask you to pay that money back.</p>
<p>If they find out that you lied after you have graduated, they can nullify your entire academic transcript and your diploma.</p>
<p>Do you really want to risk those kinds of consequences? </p>
<p>If you want to study in the US now, you need to apply as a transfer. If you think you won’t get any aid now, then go back to your home university and earn the kind of grades that will result in a scholarship for graduate school here.</p>
<p>Guys I don’t understand how they can find out that I was studying in a university…
I’m actually still enrolled, but I believe it’s almost impossible. How can they check? Will they call all the university of my Country?</p>
<p>Entomom posted the link to the International Clearing House website. If you’ve been in college, they can find out. Take everyones advice and DON’T LIE.</p>
<p>I have been in College but not in the US, in Europe! And also last year I only took an exam of 12 credits (in one year I should take 60 credits…) and I took 30/30 plus laude.
I didn’t take other exams, and during this year (I have been in the US) I didn’t even go to one class!
I feel like a loser for these two years, so I don’t want to talk about it, and I really don’t think the universities (that are low-middle level) will found it out.</p>
<p>If you are intent on running the risk, obviously nothing we say on this board will stop you.</p>
<p>Here’s an alternative – attend a community college out here for two years, and transfer into a four-year. Community colleges (at least in CA) typically let everybody in no matter what their GPA is. The state of CA, however, is facing serious budget issues, and the community colleges are threatening to cut statewide enrollment by 400,000 students (back to 2001 levels), which means they may start looking at the GPAs of applicants, but it will not be on the level of trying to get into a UC or CSU.</p>
<p>Bottom line, if you want to attend a US college, apply to community colleges and work your way up to a four-year institution. I think you’re safe reporting your academic record to them and not having to worry about it, and keep in mind that four-year schools like to see improvement.</p>
<p>I have a 3.8 GPA in high school (and High school in Europe is 5 years and more more difficult than American high school)
I was the BEST in my university about Chemistry, BUT the year 2009-2010 I took only one exam (and I did it very well, I took more than the maximum), because I was planning to study in the US.
During the year 2010-2011 I have been in the US (just studying English).
Community Colleges are not a place for me, I’m used to stay in a competitive place, and those places are not for me.</p>
<p>I don’t understand… I will PAY a lot of money and I could have problems just because I want to apply like a freshman, well that’s ********.</p>
You claimed that education in Europe is “more more difficult than American” so one can conclude that European education holds more quality, why transfer?
You claimed that you were the best in your university, how can ‘the BEST’ want to lie about his previous education?
You claimed that community colleges are not for you but you yourself realized that you “used to” be in competitive places. Maybe you do not really belong to those places, that’s why it’s said “used to”
You want to lie and you don’t understand why lying will give you problem? Even a small boy knows that.</p>
<p>Disclaimer:
I highly recommend that you don’t lie.</p>
<p>Since you are bent upon applying as a freshman, let me tell you that people from my country (Pakistan) usually lie about the fact that they already enrolled a university here. And apply as a freshman. It happens a lot. Noone ever finds out and noone is willing to hunt that deep. But then again, this is Pakistan.
However, I find myself very similar to the situation you are in. And this is what I am doing… since I messed up my college GPA, I’m applying to colleges that accept students already enrolled at a university. Swallow the bitter pill. And don’t lie. If work hard enough, you will eventually end up in the good place. Why attempt a dangerous, risky short-cut?
My friend, though, applied to Ivies and didn’t tell them about his current education. I think he lied about his ECs too. I won’t be too surprised if he ends up flunking in a lot of courses.</p>
<p>1) I think that in W. Europe high schools are usually better than American high schools, because I noticed that the level of knowledge is higher there, but I strongly believe that colleges in the US are BETTER than European universities.</p>
<p>2)Community colleges are NOT competitive places, and I’m used to be in a competitive place.</p>
<p>3)I’m my university I took only one exam (12 credits) and I took the maximum score, after I didn’t keep studying because I thought to go to the US.</p>
<p>4)I do know that lying gives problems, but I don’t see what’s wrong in this situation. I mean… LOTS of people told me that they will never find it out, only in this forum you told me that it’s so dangerous.
And I repeat… the universities where I want to apply are not the Top 30 in the world. They don’t even ask essays, SAT or ACT!</p>
<p>I want to be a freshman, because I feel I’m a freshman, my mind was focused in the US, so I didn’t study with will.</p>
<p>How many credits did you actually earn at your home university? Show that number to the colleges/universities that interest you and ask THEM whether you can still apply as a freshman applicant or not. You may be able to. If you can, fine. If you can’t, well then cross that institution off of your list and ask another one. MANY of the lower tier of colleges and universities will let you apply as a freshman if you have less than the equivalent of a semester of of credits earned.</p>
<p>Applying as a transfer makes things harder, true, but the simple fact is that merit scholarships are truly difficult for international students to earn. Chances are that you won’t get a cent anywhere anyway. </p>
<p>Even if you are accepted as a transfer applicant, it is likely that you will have to spend four years here given what you have told us of your academic record in your home university. That means you can have the whole freshman experience if you really want it.</p>
<p>Do you have a back-up plan in case you don’t get in anywhere in the US, or you find out that you can’t afford any of your options here? Will you complete your degree at your home university? Will you drop out and get a job? That is something you need to think through as well.</p>
<p>one year in my Country is 60 credits.
I don’t think this university will think that 12 credits are enough, and ALSO I’m not American. If they find it out I could say that I didn’t know that 12 credits are sufficient to apply like a transfer. But I don’t see how they can understand that I was studying (and I’m still enrolled…) in a European university. I don’t believe there are connections between Europe and USA.</p>
<p>Yes I will apply in the US for a merit scholarship, but I still think they cannot find it out.
Come on guys I will pay lots of money, in the US college is business, they only care about money (and being a freshman I should pay also the dorm…).
I have found 6 universities, and I want to apply as soon as possible and starting my undergraduate next fall, and later trying to get in a graduate school.
That’s it.</p>
<p>If you’ve already convinced yourself that your plan foolproof, why are you asking CC for answers?</p>
<p>I would encourage you to look into the distinctions between freshmen and transfers carefully. Your 12 credits might not even be considered transferable, and then you’d be an honest freshmen applicant.</p>
<p>We also have a saying here: ignorance is no excuse. </p>
<p>You can’t just claim you didn’t know. </p>
<p>Take the other posters advice and ask if they’ll let you apply as a freshman, and stop being so argumentative. People are just trying to help and show you what WILL happen if you lie and get caught.</p>
<p>yeah dude. Chances are that 99% they will not catch you however if it happens to fall into that other 1%, your entire education will be at risk. If you play poker you will know that the chances of hitting a quad is 0,245% yet people hit their quad from time to time. Don’t go all-in on this one, man. You can’t know what the admission committe has for their holecards…</p>
<p>I really think you are either a ■■■■■ or an idiot. In either case, do whatever you want. What you are saying in your messages is highly unethical and wrong: You can’t justify it any other way.</p>