lieing in college application

Applying to College
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<p>Why would you get involved. I don’t even understand.
Your choices:
A) get involved, possibly ruin his life/teachers career, feel like you enforced justice for a few days.
B) forget it, the friends you worry about will have ONE MORE application to compete with, as if that will make any difference. </p>

<p>“Though his GPA is not that good (because he got caught cheating so many times in class). From what I’ve heard he has been expelled or almost expelled at his previous school for cheating and such. So it’s definately on his record.”</p>

<p>That is far more than enough to make your friends’ applications look far better anyway. </p>

<p>Where in the world are you getting that acceptance is limited by school? That is not true. They will not say “Oh that student is from school X and we accepted someone from there, throw his application out.”</p>

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<p>Ey, I’m sorry for all the confusion.
But the whole acceptance limitation is true, especially for a really small school like mine. Colleges have things like, they have to accept this many numbers from this area or out of state and things like that. They even limit the races they accept, this is done more discreetly.</p>

<p>And pretty much all the colleges he’s applying to are the same as my friend’s.</p>

<p>I really don’t think I’l feel that bad if I ruin his chances or the teacher’s. He’s not even a real teacher, he doesn’t have a credential. He’s just a “sub” until our school finds a real teacher. </p>

<p>And for the GUY, I’m being really honest here, I believe HE should be finally punished for all the things he’ve done. Everything I’ve said here about him is just the tip of the iceberg about this guy.</p>

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<p>Just so you guys can understand the situation I’m in, heres a bit of info
ABOUT MY SCHOOL:</p>

<p>My school is a small, really small private christian school with only 10 students a class. All the kids are pretty much from disadvantaged families. Our principal personally picks them, he’s even given me half tuition scholarship. This GUY only got in because his parents paid the principal a whole mess of money because his only other option would be to go to reform school, our school does not have much money because, like i said, most of the kids are given scholarships and our school does not have private funders. We almost had to close down last year because of the rent fees. Plus our school’s unaccredited (we’re trying to get WASC accreditation next year) so this might also hinder our college acceptance rate.</p>

<p>So if you can’t already figure it out, the principal really didn’t have a choice but to let the Guy into our school.</p>

<p>This is also part of the reason why the other students want to rat him out to the colleges. They already don’t have money nor do they have resources, and this guy is taking away their chances to go to college. We’ve all given up our highschool lives to come to this school, and our parents are expecting us to go to good colleges for the sacrifices they’re giving us.</p>

<p>So please try to atleast understand the position I’m in. It’s not really about the GUY’s lieing/cheating, but it’s about the other students’ futures. They came to this school for a reason, and this GUY is becoming a BIG risk factor of destroying their reasons by lieing on his college app.</p>

<p>If this was just a normal public school, I wouldn’t give a care about this guy.</p>

<p>I do understand though, that his record of academic dishonesty may work against him, but with all the lieing he’s doing on his applications, I wouldn’t be surprised if he tried something to deal with this problem. There’s rumors that he’s using our school in his personal statement, writing something like he found Christ and “changed” his ways by coming to our school, or something like that. </p>

<p>So that’s another reason that GUY is a threat, and another reason why like all the kids at my school dislike him.</p>

<p>I’m just posting this dilemma here so I can get a more clearer insight on how I should deal with this. If I should tell the principal, or to tell the colleges directly.</p>

<p>Thank you to all the people who’ve inputted some insight. Thank you guys alot.</p>

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<p>Can you tell us his GPA and the schools he’s applying to? What is your friend’s SAT score? What were some of this guy’s (the cheater’s) ECs and what awards have he “won”? This guy needs his past school’s transcripts to be sent to colleges, no? He’ll therefore be required to contact his previous high schools and on the transcripts, there will most likely be a note stating his expulsion from the school due to misconduct. The schools will see his scores and grades and ECs and will become doubtful of their validity and will possibly rescind his application. Best case scenario, he’s not rescinded but still rejected because who would wanna even consider an applicant whose stats are probably fake in the first place?</p>

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<p>Snitches get stitches. Snitches also get into college. You decide.</p>

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<p>@R3d3mpti0n: I think his GPA is around the range of 3.0-3.3 (uw). He never really told anyone his real GPA. </p>

<p>My friends have SAT scores ranging from 1900-2100. It’s not all that great, but my friends have honestly tried hard and studied. They have GPA’s of 3.3-4.0. A couple of them have low 3.3-3.5 because they transfered in from public schools where they were’nt trying in or just messed up in, etc.</p>

<p>I don’t know much about his ECs and awards. What I do know is that he has an award from Academic Decathalon form his previous school (was under the lowest GPA groupings though) and he did an internship in South Korea for the korean President (he had connections). He’s also in a outside of school basketball team. Other than that, he never really talks about any of his ECs.</p>

<p>But Something I know for sure is that he’s lying about his community hours and he’s BSing about some EC’s.</p>

<p>I know he’s applied to Boston university, Carnegie, Cornell, USC, etc. It’s really weird though, from the things he’s been saying at school. He’s applied to mostly top schools. And the colleges I’ve mentioned are the ones my friends are all trying to get into.</p>

<p>Thank you about the information that he’ll need to send in his previous high school transcripts. I had totally forgotten about this. Maybe if this is true, then we won’t have to worry about this GUY.</p>

<p>Is there a chance that his personal statement will help him get over the whole expulsion issues?</p>

<p>I hope you guys kind of get why me and my friends want to rat him out though. I understand if you guys have differing opinions about what to do about it, but as long as you guys understand our reasons behind it, I’m greatful to you guys. This is a really big issue to us.</p>

<p>Thank you guys. :smiley: I really mean it.</p>

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<p>What goes around comes around.</p>

<p>I’m sure he’ll get what he deserves for all the cheating. If it doesn’t disqualify him from the schools, certainly he’s not going to do well once he gets there and it will be blatantly obvious that he got in through trickery. </p>

<p>Let it be. Yeah, he’s in the wrong. But it’s not your situation to get involved in.</p>

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<p>if he’s transfered around a few times, i think that in and of itself will set off some alarms. what kind of kid with great test scores would be flying around like that? clearly something else is going on. plus, having a low gpa is kinda sketchy too.</p>

<p>i suggest you talk to a trusted adult at your school.</p>

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<p>Do not get involved. It’s that simple. He will not influence your friends’ chances of getting admitted anywhere. Stay out of it.</p>

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<p>hmm I guess you guys are right. >.<
I think it’s a good idea to stay out of it too. Though I feel bad for my friends for not helping them.</p>

<p>I just hope that he’ll get what he deserves in whatever happens.</p>

<p>Thank you guys. This has helpped me clear my mind. :D</p>

<p>THANK YOU!!!
I’m kinda relieved I don’t have to do this. :)</p>

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<p>Why don’t you talk it over privately with a teacher your trust at the school who is closer to the situation.</p>

<p>I think you should make some effort to follow up with somebody. This is not a case of one isolated mistake. </p>

<p>Also, try to think of this as a learning experience. You can get away with dishonesty and using your family’s financial influence for a while, but eventually the house of cards will fall down. If I were you, I’d give that house of cards a little push.</p>

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<p>If you attend a school with a honor code, you would get placed on academic probation/dismissal just like the person who cheated off of you because you did not report it at the time it was happening.</p>

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<p>They will think that every applicant from your school is circumspect. So go right ahead .</p>

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<p>If anything you should be greatful that this kid was accepted to your school. As you said, many of the students come from poor backrounds and recieve scholarships to attend. Honestly, I would bet, (using the information that you’ve provided), that some of your friends wouldn’t be attending the school if it wasn’t for this kid. TBH, you should probably walk up to him and thank him.</p>

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<p>my thought is that if you feel strongly about this, do something about it. if it’s just something that’s slightly bothering you, leave it alone. </p>

<p>i don’t think any of us on here can tell you what to do give we do not know everything you do.</p>

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<p>He could become a powerfull polition/banker/doctor because he got into a good college and could do a lot of harm to real people. Even if that isn’t ture, just report him, he is a piece of ****. Don’t be passive. liars are destructive people. This isn’t a petty crime, what he is doing and what he is is serious.</p>

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<p>This is a no win situation for you. Leave it alone. He will get his…If he is as inept at his school work as you say, then he won’t survive at a top school.</p>

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<p>A hilarious thing to say, considering he seems to be an extremely accomplished cheater. Who’s to say he won’t start it all up again wherever he goes?</p>

<p>There was a student at my school who was like this, though she was actually intelligent instead of just pretending to be intelligent. She’s currently at Northwestern and doing, as far as I can tell, fine. So the entire “just desserts” thing most of the posters here keep talking about? It doesn’t really happen in the real world.</p>

<p>To be honest, this “live and let live” attitude I’m seeing in this thread leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. While this would be considered an extreme example, it’s exactly this mode of thinking that allows hate crimes to go on without being reported. “It’s none of my business. It doesn’t really affect me personally.” Yes. Great. Thanks for that.</p>

<p>Re: the teacher - One of my teachers had me turn in a list of my ECs when I asked for a recommendation. The situation here sounds like it could be the same, with him turning in a phony list and the teacher just including it in her rec.</p>