Long Island SAT Cheating Ring - Great Neck

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<p>I am not getting it. The school knew about this and investigated/reprimanded students in previous years and yet it continued this year to involve two students presently attending the same high school? Clearly what the school did was not sufficient. Even enabling them if the school omitted the academic discipline these students received in their school report.</p>

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<p>^ I think the first bunch got away with it and were found out when more recent bunch got caught. Is that correct?</p>

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<p>How low was that? I actually started laughing when I heard about it.</p>

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<p>What is going to happen to the cheating students from past years who are already in college?
I can’t tell if the arrests included them, too.</p>

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<p>Best Post of the Day Award!</p>

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<p>I sure there’s a certain “show trial” aspect to this, to dissuade other top test-taking students from deciding to make a summer’s earnings in a single afternoon. There must be at least a thousand students in the US under the age of 21 who could guarantee a SAT score of 2300 or an ACT of 35, if there were no consequences. An article like this one reads like a “help wanted” ad!</p>

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<p>Did you all see this info in one of the articles:

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<p>I would like to know what the misdemenor was that the minors were charged with. I have not seen it documented anywhere. </p>

<p>Read more: [SAT</a> Cheaters Paid Ex-Schoolmate to Do Test, Prosecutor Says](<a href=“http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2011/09/28/bloomberg_articlesLS98030UQVI9.DTL#ixzz1ZNTL6BcM]SAT”>http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2011/09/28/bloomberg_articlesLS98030UQVI9.DTL#ixzz1ZNTL6BcM)</p>

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LOL, Actually it is the test taker who is being charged with a felony with his name and photo being splashed all over the national news. The recipients of his services have only been charged with a misdemeanor and their identities have been protected.</p>

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They haven’t spent much time on CC if they can refer to a “whopping” 2210. That’s what kids here refer to as “awful.”</p>

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<p>In a few articles the prosecutor says that College Board does not report cheating by individuals to the colleges and that is a travesty. The high schools have no vested interest in how the kids achieve their scores if you think about it with the exception of bragging rights. It is the colleges that have a vested interest in who is cheating and who is not cheating.</p>

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<p>I soo agree, Mom3B.
The colleges DEPEND on the integrity of the cores to evaluate the applicants.</p>

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<p>Except that cheaters hardly need articles or stories to find out about cheating schemes. All you need to consider is the typical shopping center where every dry-cleaner and donut shop seem to be matched by a SAT Prep or Kumon Center. Google an official SAT question, and let the searches take you to exotic destinations.</p>

<p>This group of students probably got caught because of a combination of loose lips and an amateurish process. The better organized and better financed groups, especially abroad, must be laughing at this story, and laughing at how naive (or misleading) the ETS rep was in declaring that this was a very rare incident. He probably should have said that it was very rare for ETS to catch someone and even more rare for a school district NOT to look the other way or not be a willing participant.</p>

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<p>sooooo, Xiggi, what do you know???
what is showing up on your radar-screen???</p>

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<p>I could not disagree more. While colleges have a vested interest in recruiting and enrolling students with high SAT scores, they can rely on selective admissions to reach that objective. On the other hand, high schools have a much more direct incentive in reporting high scores and prestigious admissions. Competitive high schools are constantly compared to their peers. It is part of the mystique.</p>

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<p>I see your point but regardless I think this is something College Board needs to seize control of. They “own” the test and they “own” the integrity of the test results. It’s primarily their problem. The second in line for owning the problem are the colleges. They all have honor codes and pretty strident rhetoric about cheating and plagiarizing, to bow out as if it’s not their problem is also a cop-out. Last in line are the high schools.</p>

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<p>So are you saying (ever so elliptically LOL and also snarkily) that HS are HAPPY to see “inflated” scores? That they "tolerate " them and incidents of suspected cheating, do not monitor the tests carefully, do not punish the cheaters, do not accuse or actively investigate for possible occurrences, etc. etc.
Sounds like there is too much possibility of self-dealing…</p>

<p>Or do you think that the integrity of the cheaters’ HS overall and/or its GCs are harmed in the eyes of the colleges as they review the applicants from that school? IMO BOTH the cheaters and the HS employees involved should be blackballed in the eyes of the colleges, since this is functioning primarily as a honor system.</p>

<p>The colleges the cheaters now attend should rescind their acceptances and boot the students. I am a toughie, sorry.</p>

<p>Obviously, CB should be all over these things, too. Their “product” is being tainted and misused!!! They need to set up much more stringent ID systems, and test monitoring, as there are lots of other ways to cheat during these ridiculously important tests.</p>

<p>There will always be cheaters, BUT do not let it be so easy.</p>

<p>p.s. Dishonesty is dishonesty.</p>

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<p>I agree that the onus is on the College Board. The owners AND customers of the College Board are the colleges themselves. Students and families only happen to have to pay for the fees. </p>

<p>Unfortunately, the College Board is also relying on the high school infrastructure to administer its tests, and thus also suffering from the potential pitfalls of using parties that might not be qualified or totally impartial. In a country that still believes in a honor system and integrity, this is begging to be abused by some who have different values.</p>

<p>PS I believe that TCB should make the changes to the more robust technologies that are widely available. But then I also believe that the administration of the entire SAT should be overhauled and that the AP and SAT administrations should be “flip-flopped.” The SAT should be offered once a year at the end of the junior year in a close monitored environment. In my “world” the entire AP enchilada could then be offered in a manner similar to the GRE.</p>

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<p>So, these 4 in college had no repercussions on continuing to attend the colleges that they submitted their fraudulent applications???</p>

<p>Sweet, probably weren’t allowed to drive their luxury wheels for a week or attend the prom.
They’re as culpable as the test taker</p>

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<p>We do not know any of that, and probably will never know. However, with all the publicity surrounding this case, it is extremely doubtful that the offenders will come out of this without a number of problems and blemishes.</p>