Looking for a Good College?

<p>Here are 116 outstanding colleges you may want to consider applying to. Besides the usual suspects, the list includes colleges mentioned in a good variety of college guides so that you can read up about them before deciding whether to apply, or whether to attend if admitted. </p>

<p>Agnes Scott College (Decatur, GA) *
Allegheny College (Meadville, PA) *
American University (Washington, DC) **
Amherst College (Amherst, MA) ***
Barnard College (New York, NY) ***
Bates College (Lewiston, ME) ***
Boston College (Chestnut Hill, MA) ***
Boston University (Boston, MA) **
Bowdoin College (Brunswick, ME) ***
Brandeis University (Waltham, MA) ***
Brigham Young University (Provo, UT) **
Brown University (Providence, RI) ***
Bryn Mawr College (Bryn Mawr, PA) **
Bucknell University (Lewisburg, PA) ***
California Institute of Technology (Pasadena, CA) ***
Carleton College (Northfield, MN) ***
Carnegie Mellon University (Pittsburgh, PA) ***
Case Western Reserve University (Cleveland, OH) ***
Claremont McKenna College (Claremont, CA) ***
Colby College (Waterville, ME) ***
Colgate University (Hamilton, NY) ***
College of William and Mary (Williamsburg, VA) ***
College of the Holy Cross (Worcester, MA) ***
Colorado College (Colorado Springs, CO) *
Columbia University: Columbia College (New York, NY) ***
Connecticut College (New London, CT) ***
Cornell University (Ithaca, NY) ***
Dartmouth College (Hanover, NH) ***
Davidson College (Davidson, NC) ***
DePauw University (Greencastle, IN) *
Dickinson College (Carlisle, PA) **
Duke University (Durham, NC) ***
Emory University (Atlanta, GA) ***
Fordham University (Bronx, NY) *
Franklin and Marshall College (Lancaster, PA) *
Furman University (Greenville, SC) **
George Washington University (Washington, DC) ***
Georgetown University (Washington, DC) ***
Georgia Institute of Technology (Atlanta, GA) **
Gettysburg College (Gettysburg, PA) *
Grinnell College (Grinnell, IA) **
Gustavus Adolphus College (St. Peter, MN) *
Hamilton College (Clinton, NY) ***
Harvard University (Cambridge, MA) ***
Harvey Mudd College (Claremont, CA) ***
Haverford College (Haverford, PA) ***
Illinois Wesleyan University (Bloomington, IL) **
Johns Hopkins University (Baltimore, MD) ***
Kenyon College (Gambier, OH) ***
Lafayette College (Easton, PA) ***
Lehigh University (Bethlehem, PA) **
Macalester College (St. Paul, MN) ***
Massachusetts Institute of Technology (Cambridge, MA) ***
Miami University (Oxford, OH) *
Middlebury College (Middlebury, VT) ***
Mount Holyoke College (South Hadley, MA) **
New York University (New York, NY) ***
Northwestern University (Evanston, IL) ***
Oberlin College (Oberlin, OH) ***
Occidental College (Los Angeles, CA) ***
Ohio State University: Columbus Campus (Columbus, OH) *
Penn State University Park (State College, PA) *
Pepperdine University (Malibu, CA) *
Pomona College (Claremont, CA) ***
Princeton University (Princeton, NJ) ***
Reed College (Portland, OR) ***
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute (Troy, NY) **
Rhodes College (Memphis, TN) *
Rice University (Houston, TX) ***
Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey: New Brunswick/Piscataway (NJ) *
Scripps College (Claremont, CA) ***
Skidmore College (Saratoga Springs, NY) *
Smith College (Northampton, MA) ***
St. Olaf College (Northfield, MN) *
Stanford University (Stanford, CA) ***
State University of New York at Binghamton (NY) *
Swarthmore College (Swarthmore, PA) ***
Syracuse University (Syracuse, NY) *
Texas A and M University (College Station, TX) *
Trinity College (Hartford, CT) **
Tufts University (Medford, MA) ***
Tulane University (New Orleans, LA) ***
Union College (Schenectady, NY) *
University of California: Berkeley (CA) **
University of California: Los Angeles (CA) ***
University of California: San Diego (La Jolla, CA) *
University of Chicago (IL) ***
University of Florida (Gainesville, FL) *
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (IL) **
University of Maryland--College Park (College Park, MD) *
University of Michigan (Ann Arbor, MI) **
University of Minnesota--Twin Cities (Minneapolis, MN) *
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (NC) ***
University of Notre Dame (Notre Dame, IN) ***
University of Pennsylvania (Philadelphia, PA) ***
University of Pittsburgh (Pittsburgh, PA) *
University of Richmond (Richmond, VA) ***
University of Rochester (Rochester, NY) ***
University of Southern California (Los Angeles, CA) ***
University of Texas at Austin (TX) *
University of Virginia (Charlottesville, VA) ***
University of Wisconsin--Madison (WI) *
University of the South (Sewanee, TN) *
Vanderbilt University (Nashville, TN) ***
Vassar College (Poughkeepsie, NY) ***
Villanova University (Villanova, PA) **
Wabash College (Crawfordsville, IN) *
Wake Forest University (Winston-Salem, NC) ***
Washington University in St. Louis (St. Louis, MO) ***
Washington and Lee University (Lexington, VA) ***
Wellesley College (Wellesley, MA) ***
Wesleyan University (Middletown, CT) ***
Wheaton College (Wheaton, IL) *
Whitman College (Walla Walla, WA) **
Williams College (Williamstown, MA) ***
Yale University (New Haven, CT) *** </p>

<p>Check the specific application deadline for each college of interest. Consider applying far away from your home region for the learning value of being in a new place and possibly having an enhanced chance of admission. </p>

<p>Good luck.</p>

<p>Interesting. Did you come up with the list yourself? What do the asterisks signify?</p>

<p>I gathered the college names from various college guidebooks and from memberships in national scholarly organizations. I'll post another reply with more details about that. The asterisks are one of four categories based on the Barron's college guidebook ratings of admission selectivity. No asterisk is a level of selectivity that Barron's calls "very competitive." One asterisk is what Barron's calls "highly competitive," and two asterisks is "highly competitive +," while three asterisks is "most competitive," all by the Barron's methodology.</p>

<p>wait wasn't this a thread before? I could've sworn I've seen this.</p>

<p>Otherwise it's a very interesting list.</p>

<p>Yes, this is a slight refinement of the earlier thread. (A friend elsewhere in cyberspace told me about a new data source.) </p>

<p>Here are 180 other colleges worth a look. </p>

<p>Albion College (Albion, MI)
Alfred University (Alfred, NY)
Alma College (Alma, MI)
Arizona State University (Tempe, AZ)
Auburn University (Auburn, AL)
Austin College (Sherman, TX) *
Babson College (Babson Park, MA) *
Bard College (Annandale-on-Hudson, NY) **
Baylor University (Waco, TX) *
Beloit College (Beloit, WI) *
Bennington College (Bennington, VT) *
Birmingham-Southern College (Birmingham, AL)
California Polytechnic State University: San Luis Obispo (CA)
Calvin College (Grand Rapids, MI)
Catholic University of America (Washington, DC)
Centre College (Danville, KY)
Clark University (Worcester, MA)
Clarkson University (Potsdam, NY)
Clemson University (Clemson, SC) *
Coe College (Cedar Rapids, IA)
College of New Jersey (Ewing, NJ) ***
College of Wooster (Wooster, OH)
College of the Atlantic (Bar Harbor, ME) *
Colorado School of Mines (Golden, CO) *
Colorado State University (Fort Collins, CO)
Cooper Union (New York, NY) ***
Cornell College (Mount Vernon, IA)
Denison University (Granville, OH) *
Drew University (Madison, NJ)
Drexel University (Philadelphia, PA)
Earlham College (Richmond, IN) *
Elon University (Elon, NC) *
Emerson College (Boston, MA) *
Eugene Lang College (New York, NY)
Evergreen State College (Olympia, WA)
Fairfield University (Fairfield, CT) *
Fisk University (TN)
Florida Institute of Technology (Melbourne, FL)
Florida State University (Tallahassee, FL) *
Franklin W. Olin College of Engineering (Needham, MA)
George Mason University (Fairfax, VA)
Gonzaga University (WA) *
Goucher College (Baltimore, MD)
Hampden-Sydney College (Hampden-Sydney, VA)
Hampshire College (Amherst, MA) *
Hendrix College (Conway, AR)
Hiram College (Hiram, OH)
Hobart and William Smith Colleges (Geneva, NY)
Hofstra University (Hempstead, NY)
Hollins University (Roanoke, VA)
Hope College (Holland, MI)
Howard University (Washington, DC)
Illinois Institute of Technology (Chicago, IL) **
Indiana University Bloomington (IN)
Iowa State University (Ames, IA)
Ithaca College (Ithaca, NY)
James Madison University (Harrisonburg, VA)
Kalamazoo College (Kalamazoo, MI)
Kansas State University (KS)
Kettering University (Flint, MI) *
Knox College (Galesburg, IL)
Lake Forest College (Lake Forest, IL)
Lawrence University (Appleton, WI) **
Lewis and Clark College (Portland, OR)
Louisiana State University (Baton Rouge, LA)
Loyola College in Maryland (Baltimore, MD) *
Loyola Marymount University (Los Angeles, CA)
Marlboro College (Marlboro, VT)
Marquette University (Milwaukee, WI) *
Mercer University (Macon, GA)
Michigan State University (East Lansing, MI)
Michigan Technological University (Houghton, MI)
Mills College (Oakland, CA)
Morehouse College (Atlanta, GA)
Muhlenberg College (Allentown, PA) **
New College of Florida (Sarasota, FL) **
New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology (Socorro, NM)
North Carolina State University (Raleigh, NC) *
Northeastern University (Boston, MA) *
Northern Arizona University (Flagstaff, AZ)
Ohio University (Athens, OH)
Ohio Wesleyan University (Delaware, OH)
Oklahoma State University (Stillwater, OK)
Oregon State University (Corvallis, OR)
Pitzer College (Claremont, CA) *
Providence College (Providence, RI) *
Purdue University (West Lafayette, IN)
Rhode Island School of Design (Providence, RI)
Ripon College (Ripon, WI)
Rochester Institute of Technology (Rochester, NY)
Rollins College (Winter Park, FL)
Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology (Terre Haute, IN) **
Saint Louis University (St. Louis, MO)
Sarah Lawrence College (Bronxville, NY) *
Seattle University (Seattle, WA)
Southern Methodist University (Dallas, TX)
Southwestern University (Georgetown, TX) *
Spelman College (Atlanta, GA)
St. John's College (Annapolis, MD) **
St. John's College (Santa Fe, NM)
St. Lawrence University (Canton, NY)
St. Mary's College of Maryland (St. Mary's City, MD)
State University of New York College at Geneseo (NY) **
State University of New York at Albany (NY)
State University of New York at Buffalo (NY)
State University of New York at Stony Brook (NY) *
Stetson University (DeLand, FL)
Stevens Institute of Technology (Hoboken, NJ)
Susquehanna University (Selinsgrove, PA)
Sweet Briar College (Sweet Briar, VA)
Temple University (Philadelphia, PA)
Texas Christian University (Fort Worth, TX)
Texas Tech University (Lubbock, TX)
Trinity University (San Antonio, TX) **
Truman State University (Kirksville, MO) *
United States Air Force Academy (Colorado Springs, CO) **
United States Coast Guard Academy (New London, CT) *
United States Merchant Marine Academy (Kings Point, NY) *
United States Military Academy (West Point, NY) ***
United States Naval Academy (Annapolis, MD) ***
University of Alabama (Tuscaloosa, AL)
University of Arizona (Tucson, AZ)
University of Arkansas (Fayetteville, AR)
University of California: Davis (CA)
University of California: Irvine (CA) *
University of California: Riverside (CA)
University of California: Santa Barbara (CA)
University of California: Santa Cruz (CA)
University of Cincinnati (Cincinnati, OH)
University of Colorado at Boulder (CO)
University of Connecticut (Storrs, CT) *
University of Dallas (TX)
University of Dayton (OH)
University of Delaware (Newark, DE) *
University of Georgia (Athens, GA) *
University of Hawaii at Manoa (Honolulu, HI)
University of Idaho (ID)
University of Illinois at Chicago (IL)
University of Iowa (Iowa City, IA)
University of Kansas (Lawrence, KS)
University of Kentucky (Lexington, KY)
University of Maine (Orono, ME)
University of Mary Washington (Fredericksburg, VA) *
University of Massachusetts Amherst (Amherst, MA)
University of Miami (Coral Gables, FL) ***
University of Missouri: Columbia (MO)
University of Missouri: Rolla (MO) *
University of Nebraska--Lincoln (NE)
University of New Hampshire (Durham, NH)
University of New Mexico (Albuquerque, NM)
University of North Dakota (Grand Forks, ND)
University of Oklahoma (Norman, OK)
University of Oregon (Eugene, OR)
University of Puget Sound (Tacoma, WA) *
University of Redlands (Redlands, CA)
University of Rhode Island (Kingston, RI)
University of San Diego (CA) *
University of South Carolina (Columbia, SC)
University of South Dakota (Vermillion, SD)
University of Tennessee: Knoxville (TN)
University of Tulsa (OK) *
University of Utah (Salt Lake City, UT)
University of Vermont (Burlington, VT)
University of Washington (Seattle, WA)
University of Wyoming (Laramie, WY)
Ursinus College (Collegeville, PA)
Valparaiso University (Valparaiso, IN)
Virginia Military Institute (Lexington, VA)
Virginia Polytechnic Institute (Blacksburg, VA)
Washington State University (Pullman, WA)
Washington and Jefferson College (Washington, PA)
Webb Institute (Glen Cove, NY) ***
Wells College (Aurora, NY)
West Virginia University (Morgantown, WV)
Wheaton College (Norton, MA) **
Willamette University (Salem, OR)
Wittenberg University (Springfield, OH)
Wofford College (Spartanburg, SC) *
Worcester Polytechnic Institute (Worcester, MA)
Xavier University (Cincinatti, OH) *</p>

<p>As before, asterisks are based on the Barron's college guide ratings of admission selectivity. The more asterisks, the harder to get into the college. </p>

<p>This should be plenty of colleges for everyone to find a reach, match, or even a good safety for this year's admission season. </p>

<p>Good luck in the applications.</p>

<p>Consolidating rankings sounds like an excellent idea -- still to be taken with a grain of salt, of course, but at least it's somewhat less subjective and more holistic. I'm only familiar with maybe 60-70% of the schools, but it looks like a good list as far as I can tell.</p>

<p>What's the criteria for 'noteworthy-ness/outstanding-ness?'</p>

<p>My procedure for compiling these consensus lists of "outstanding" and "noteworthy" colleges is similar to the convenience procedure I used more than a decade ago to make a list of "selective and good colleges" for a personal website. I obtained most of the current college guidebooks, looked at what colleges are listed in each book, and then recorded for each college which books list it. I'm sure I agree with everyone reading this that the editors of college guidebooks have not come up with any foolproof way of deciding which colleges to include and which to exclude from their books. There are exhaustive college guidebooks, notably the College Board College Handbook, </p>

<p>Amazon.com:</a> The College Board College Handbook 2008 (College Handbook): Books: The College Board </p>

<p>which attempt to list every college in the United States, but the books I consulted all select a subset of colleges to discuss in detail in a convenient format. If you think a particular college you know about should be listed, please write a letter to the guidebook editors, magazine editors, or nonprofit organization committees who compiled the lists I consulted. Most lists of colleges expand over time, and I'm sure that if you write a clearly written, carefully evidenced letter that your letter will persuade the compilers of each list to take a second look at the college you advocate for. I took care to consult guidebooks that have gone through multiple editions, having already received push-back from readers who are fans of one or another college. Reasons that a particular college is included in a particular guidebook are perhaps debatable, but I think the consensus of the guidebooks selects out a list of colleges that are indisputably colleges with a national, and possibly worldwide, reputation. I thought it might be helpful to College Confidential participants looking to round out their application lists to post my consensus lists to open this thread. My sources are those mentioned below, listed in decreasing order of number of colleges included: </p>

<p>1) Peterson's 440 Colleges for Top Students: 2007 by Peterson's (Lawrenceville, N.J.: Thomson Peterson's, © 2006, 26th ed.)</p>

<p>Amazon.com:</a> 440 Colleges for Top Students 2007 (440 Colleges for Top Students): Books: Peterson's </p>

<p>(There is a newer edition out in bookstores now). This is the most inclusive list of colleges I consulted, and added many unique entries to my initial working list, but it has some bizarre omissions. The editors say, "We make only one assumption in this guide. This is that the most influential factor in determining your experience on campus is the other students you will find there. In selecting colleges for inclusion in this book, we measure the competitiveness of the admission environment at colleges." This is the least useful of these books, I think. </p>

<p>2) The national chapter list of the Phi Beta Kappa Society, the national college honorary society founded in 1776.</p>

<p>Phi</a> Beta Kappa Society | Chapter Directory </p>

<p>This list has some interesting omissions, for example the California Institute of Technology (Caltech), and includes a total of 272 different colleges, some not listed in any other source. A suggestion I received online from a friend was to also consider the chapter list of Tau Beta Pi, a national engineering honor society. </p>

<p>Tau</a> Beta Pi Collegiate Chapters </p>

<p>Sure enough, that picked up some colleges that don't have Phi Beta Kappa chapters, including Caltech, and added many unique entries to my working list. There are 111 colleges in the United States that have chapters of both national honorary societies, and just about all of those appear on my consensus list of "outstanding" colleges. I noted for each college in my working list whether it had a chapter of Phi Beta Kappa, of Tau Beta Pi, or of both (111 colleges out of 392). </p>

<p>3) You Are Here 2008 Edition: A Guide to Over 380 Colleges and Unlimited Paths to Your Future by Kaplan, Inc. (New York: Kaplan Publishing, 2007).</p>

<p>Amazon.com:</a> You Are Here 2008 Edition: A Guide to Over 380 Colleges and Unlimited Paths to Your Future: Books: Kaplan </p>

<p>This book includes an expanded version of the college list in the most recent Newsweek-Kaplan special college guide issue. The editors say, "we've highlighted 25 cutting-edge schools that are tied to one or more of the hottest career categories. Additionally, at the back of the book, we have cataloged data on 358 more of the most interesting undergraduate institutions across the country." This publication's 383 listed colleges added several unique entries to my initial working list. Most of the content of this book is information about careers, including very interesting interviews with working adults in a large variety of different occupations, so this is a great supplement to the other books listed in this message.</p>

<p>4) The Princeton Review: The Best 366 Colleges: 2008 Edition by Robert Franek et al. (New York, NY: Princeton Review Inc., © 2007)</p>

<p>Amazon.com:</a> The Best 366 Colleges, 2008 Edition (College Admissions Guides): Books: Princeton Review </p>

<p>You can see this list on the Web:</p>

<p>The</a> New 2008 "Best 366 Colleges" Rankings on The Princeton Review </p>

<p>This list has expanded considerably since 286 colleges were included in the second edition more than a decade ago. The editors say, "The initial list was built through consultation with a variety of expert sources, including 50 independent educational consultants from across the nation. From that point, new institutions have been added annually; a few have been dropped. A careful review of the guide will reveal a wide representation of colleges, with regard to geography and enrollment size." This source has good information about what colleges are "overlap" colleges (colleges applied to by applicants to each college) for most colleges listed.</p>

<p>5) The Insider's Guide to the Colleges 34th Edition: 2008 compiled and edited by the staff of the Yale Daily News (New York: St. Martins Griffin, 2007)</p>

<p>Amazon.com:</a> The Insider's Guide to the Colleges, 2008: Students on Campus Tell You What You Really Want to Know, 34th Edition (Insider's Guide to the Colleges): Books: Yale Daily News Staff </p>

<p>This guidebook has improved the most since the last time I compiled a college list for my personal website several years ago, and is a welcome addition to the literature. The editors say, "From more than 2,900 four-year institutions nationwide, we cover only 323 colleges. We examine a number of criteria in deciding which colleges to select, but our first priority is always the quality of the academics offered by the institution. Another key factor in our decisions is the desire to offer a diversity of options." The write-ups about each college in this book are quite interesting, and I think this is a useful book for students choosing a college on the basis of campus culture. </p>

<p>6) Fiske Guide to Colleges: 2008 by Edward B. Fiske (Napierville, IL: Sourcesbooks, 2007, twenty-fourth ed.)</p>

<p>Amazon.com:</a> Fiske Guide to Colleges 2008 (Fiske Guide to Colleges): Books: Edward Fiske </p>

<p>The former journalist who compiles this guidebook says, "The selection was done with several broad principles in mind, beginning with academic quality. Depending on how you define the term, there are about 175 'selective' colleges and universities in the nation, and by and large these constitute the best institutions academically. . . . In addition, an effort was made to achieve geographic diversity and a balance of public and private schools." There is some good information about each of the 304 featured colleges in this book. It has less of an overconcentration on colleges in the northeast than most other books of this kind. </p>

<p>7) The Washington Monthly college rankings 2007</p>

<p>Our</a> Third Annual College Rankings </p>

<p>The Washington Monthly rankings rank all Carnegie Foundation for Teaching national universities or national liberal arts colleges in two separate ranked lists, based on rather interesting value-added criteria. I included universities that scored at least 35 and colleges that scored at least 40 on my initial working list, for a total of 230 colleges, thereby adding several unique entries.</p>

<p>8) Choosing the Right College: 2008-2009: The Whole Truth about America's Top Schools by the Intercollegiate Studies Institute (Wilmington, DE: ISI Books, © 2007. 6th ed.)</p>

<p>Amazon.com:</a> Choosing the Right College: 2008-2009: The Whole Truth about America's Top Schools (Choosing the Right College): Books: John Zmirak,Walter E. Williams </p>

<p>This book is the second-most-selective of the lists I consulted, including 152 colleges, but includes some unique entries matching the point of view of the editors (most of which didn't make it onto either of my consensus lists). </p>

<p>9) Rugg's Recommendations on the Colleges Twenty-Fourth Edition by Frederick E. Rugg (Fallbrook, CA: Rugg's Recommendations, 2007).</p>

<p>Amazon.com:</a> Rugg's Recommendations on the Colleges, 24th Edition: Books: Frederick E. Rugg </p>

<p>This is the only one of my sources published west of the Rocky Mountains and one of only two not published in the northeast. Rugg's guidebook includes information about 1075 different colleges. He gets much of his information about colleges from a network of high school counselors around the country. For each major subject featured in his guidebook, he lists colleges that are "most selective" for students desiring that major, and I noted any college that was listed twice or more among the top ten major subjects in the United States (with history, mathematics, and economics added for good measure) as a "selective" college by Rugg's criteria, for a total of 146 colleges that I considered for my list. It is designed for high school counselors telling students in roughly the top half of their high school classes what colleges have good programs in what majors, to a first approximation.</p>

<p>Some colleges are plainly underrepresented in some of the sources. Some of the sources were very good about including specialty art schools, schools of music, national service academies, or polytechnic colleges, but others excluded those entirely. One very new college, Franklin W. Olin College of Engineering, will surely be included in more sources in later editions after it has had time to build up its already good reputation. Because not all of my sources were as inclusive as the most inclusive, I used a principle of seven mentions out of a possible nine to make the initial cut for inclusion in the list of "outstanding" colleges with which I opened this thread. Colleges with somewhat fewer mentions got onto the "noteworthy" colleges list, and because some sources excluded some types of colleges, it took fewer mentions (but never less than three) to get onto the "noteworthy" list if a college was a specialty art school, schools of music, national service academy, or polytechnic college. </p>

<p>SELECTIVITY RATINGS </p>

<p>I put three asterisks next to each college listed as "most competitive" in the comprehensive Barron's 2007 Profiles of American Colleges.</p>

<p>Amazon.com:</a> Profiles of American Colleges with CD-ROM (Barron's Profiles of American Colleges): Books: Barron's Educational Series </p>

<p>as those may be the colleges that are hardest to get into (and which, consequently, may perhaps provide a large percentage of smart classmates). All but one college in this Barron's category is also mentioned in </p>

<p>Barron's Guide to the Most Competitive Colleges Fifth Edition by the College Division staff of Barron's Educational Series, Inc. (Hauppauge, NY: Barron's Educational Series, 2007, 5th ed.)</p>

<p>Amazon.com:</a> Guide to the Most Competitive Colleges (Barron's Guide to the Most Competitive Colleges): Books: Barron's Educational Series </p>

<p>which gives very detailed descriptions of those colleges. Colleges in the Barron's "highly competitive+" category get two asterisks, and colleges in the "highly competitive" category (including my alma mater) get one. Somewhere among the 116 colleges in the "outstanding" colleges list, most highly competitive high school students should be able to find a match college (as to admission probabilities) and even a few safety colleges that offer good programs and a congenial campus environment. In the "noteworthy" colleges list, some colleges are listed without an asterisk, and those generally belong to the Barron's "very competitive" admission rating category, for which many strong high school students will have decent odds of admission. Any ambitious student should at least be able to find "match" colleges on the "noteworthy" list. One bonus of my selection procedure is that by its nature I've only listed colleges that have lots of third-party published descriptions, so you can compare colleges through your own reading as you build your application list.</p>

<p>Just wondering, why is UCLA *** compared to UCB with only **?</p>

<p>You have just asked the most frequently asked question about the Barron's methodology of assessing admissions selectivity. (The second most frequently asked question poses the same issue as to the Army and Navy academies versus the Air Force academy.) I THINK, but I haven't seen the formula laid out in enough detail to know for sure, that cases like that reflect more spread in numerical credentials between the top and the bottom of the entering class at the lower-ranked college than at the higher-ranked college. That is, I think this says that it may be that many of the top Berkeley admittees outrank most UCLA admittees, but that a few Berkeley admittees, under "eligibility in the local context," might actually rank below the majority of UCLA admittees. (I've seen a similar explanation given for the Air Force academy elsewhere in cyberspace.) But I don't know. I just agnostically report what Barron's reports as I post this thread, and maybe Barron's is out to lunch. Most of the Barron's selectivity rankings are sufficiently plausible that I am curious about the odd case you mention, but don't throw out the rankings just on the basis of two or three odd cases.</p>

<p>Just a bump for the students still looking for colleges after January 1st.</p>

<p>I'm wondering, are all those University of State schools competitive because they are so popular within their states or because they really do have a standing nationally.</p>

<p>In my day, most of the smartest high school students I knew in my state went to the State University. They (and I) had two reasons for doing that: </p>

<p>a) low list price subsidized by taxes our family had already paid, </p>

<p>and </p>

<p>b) unique programs (a Chinese major, in my case) that are much easier to find at a large research university, public or private, than at a small liberal arts college.</p>

<p>One more thread bump on 12 January 2008 in case students looking for colleges with 15 January or later admission deadlines want to check these lists of outstanding and noteworthy colleges for any late deadlines.</p>

<p>Now most admission deadlines have passed for current seniors, but I'm bumping this thread on 17 January 2008 to make current juniors aware of it, and to make clear that this thread represents my most current thinking on the subject of a broad first-cut list from among the thousands of colleges in the United States.</p>

<p>Thanks for this list--and your other one on "other colleges to consider"--as a starting point for college searches.</p>

<p>i think some colleges still have a 2-1 or 2-15 deadline - wooster comes to mind.</p>

<p>I still need to develop more familiarity with colleges that have deadlines after the turn of the year. Definitely, yes, if a college mentioned in this thread has a late deadline, and you are still looking for colleges to add to your application list, go for it.</p>

<p>I'm seeing lots of threads now asking questions about colleges mentioned in this thread. See post #8 </p>

<p><a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/5117504-post8.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/5117504-post8.html&lt;/a> </p>

<p>for a list of guidebooks.</p>

<p>I revive this thread with this post now that most seniors are hearing their admission news and juniors begin turning their attention to building their application lists. It may be that a few of the colleges mentioned in this thread are still accepting applications for fall 2008 admission.</p>