<p>hmom, don't you think that the Ivy-League degree will help you until you getyour first job? I have been reading a lot, and I just came to the conclusion that if you get (trying harder than ivy-leaguers, I know) a job in such industries, everything else will be on the student's hands? Once you get the job, you are goin to be there by yourself. If you screw it up, I do not think it will matter if you are an ivy-leaguer or not...if you do well, it will not matter if you are an ivy leaguer or not. What we have to say, though, is that those non-ivy-leaguers students have to prepare really well in order to compensate the fact that we are not ivy-leaguers. What's your opinion?</p>
<p>You still can't see the absurdity in your waiter/clerk comment? Ah time to face reality. Olive Garden, here I come. With my finance degree, they just might let me handle the cash register!</p>
<p>Absolutely, no one keeps elite jobs if they don't do well.</p>
<p>You asked about Ibanking and consulting. These are industries in which it's very hard to get the first job. It's not as if going to an ivy is a ticket to these jobs, most hired are the top kids at top schools. So the issue is where do you have to be to get a break?</p>
<p>This is not at all true in many industries. It doesn't really matter where a doctor, dentist or engineer goes to school. But it does for the industries you asked about.</p>
<p>There is a second opportunity via a top MBA.</p>
<p>You mentioned the Kruger study which says that people who were accepted into an elite school and chose not to attend do equally well. That study has been debated to death and it's methodology discredited, but it does make a point. Bill Gates didn't need to graduate from Harvard to fulfill his potential. Elite schools produce so many successful people because they were successful before they got there.</p>
<p>But if Bill Gates left Harvard and tried to get a job on WS or in a major consulting firm today, he'd be out of luck.</p>
<p>yeah, i understand that, and I think it is true...but there should be many ways to get into the 15% of hired non-ivy-leaguers students. I know it should be really hard though. I forgot to say that the statement that the study made, was in a 5 years lapse. Also, the study did not take in consideration MBA students.</p>
<p>after all, i think that getting a job there will take a lot of work, which I am willing to make. My goal is to be there, and I will.
We should not try to discourage people here, I thing that many posts are not well-oriented. We should always try to give constructive criticism to people, instead of destroying ones. We should always try to open doors, not close them.</p>
<p>Don't you think kids are better off understanding reality before they are college seniors? They have time to plan, build different skill sets and set themselves up for success. I'd be lying if I encouraged kids from non target schools to believe they had any real chance for a job on WS. </p>
<p>My approach, just as it was in raising my own 3 kids, is to tell them what the reality is of what they need to do to get where they want to go. I'm from NY, we don't BS.</p>
<p>I'm not sure what other colleges post this info. For non-californian, Cal Poly SLO is a state school. </p>
<p>Choose "Financial Management", you'll see the job titile/salary, employer etc for the past graduates -
<a href="https://www.careers.calpoly.edu/search_2007.php?yr=2007%20-%202008%5B/url%5D">https://www.careers.calpoly.edu/search_2007.php?yr=2007%20-%202008</a></p>
<p>So none is in WS. But at least one third are not in restaurants either. :)</p>
<p>That's really a great list that answers a lot of the questions asked here. Look, for example, at the salary differences between the different majors under the business umbrella.</p>
<p>Yes, indeed. Keep in mind that CalPoly is only 2 1/2 hour away from silicon valley where HQs many HiTech co. such as google, yahoo, apple, cisco, .... you name it. It surely offers more opportunitites for many majors. I'm not sure if you can see many those positon from other states except the neary UCB, SJSU ....</p>
<p>I don't understand why people are giving hmom5 such a hard time. Banks recruit at elite schools WITHOUT EXCEPTION. Can you get to Wall Street from a non-target? Absolutely. But it'll take creativity, connections, and lots of luck.</p>
<p>Rankings can be subjective and controversial, but the Marshall School of Business is ranked in the top ten for undergraduate businesss schools by U.S. News. Some of their programs are ranked very high nationally. Of note are: Accounting 5th, Entrepreneurship 4th, International Business 5th and Real Estate 7th. </p>
<p>Of special interest are their Business/International Relations Joint Program and the Business/Cinematic Arts Joint Program. Marshall also offers a Global Executive MBA Program in Shanghai.</p>
<p>This is just a PARTIAL list of prominent alumni of the Marshall School.*</p>
<p>Dan Bane-Chrm. & CEO of Trader Joe's
David Bohntee-Founder and former CEO of Geocities.com
Alan Casden-CEO of Casden Properties,LLC
Henry Caruso-Founder of Dollar Rent-A-Car
Yang Ho Cho-President & CEO of Korean Airlines
Chris DeWolfe-Co-Founder and CEO of MySpace
Charles Elachi-Director of Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Pat Gillick-GM of the Philadelphia Phillies
Ivan Glasenberg-CEO of Glencore
Steve Goodall-President of J. Power & Associates
Lloyd Greif-President & CEO of Greif & Co.
Tom Hicks-Owner of English Soccer Team-Liverpool FC
Brad Hughes-Founder and CEO of Public Storage
Richard Knerr-Co-founder and former President of Wham-O
Terrence Lanni-Chrm. and CEO of MGM Mirage
William Lyon-Chrm. of William Lyon Homes
Gordon Marshall-Founder of Marshall Industries and donated $30 million to Marshall
Preston Martin-Former Vice Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board
Paul Orfalea-Founder of Kinko's
Andrall Pearson-Former President of PepsiCo
Kristoffer Popovich-Chrm. and CEO of Hoffman Video Systems
Edward Roski-Chairman of Majestic Realty Co., part owner of the Los Angeles Lakers</p>
<p>Young Entrepreneurs: Tiara Hallman-Co-Founder of It's A Wrap
Alan Reed-Founder of Card Cutz</p>
<p>*Business executives can change positions. This list was current when printed.</p>
<p>I don't think people have a problem with what hmom said she simply left out some schools that many people feel deserve to be on the list that she posted. Those are not the only elite schools in the country.</p>
<p>what hmom says is true, but not in 100%...is like saying that more than 98% of business students will not do well in life...</p>
<p>No, I'm simply addressing the 2 industries you specifically asked about.</p>
<p>And everyone should post their own list if they don't agree with mine. My list is only reflective of my own hiring.</p>
<p>The list of core schools is going to be different at each IB firm. To some extent, the schools on the list are going to match the alma maters of senior management who sponsor their schools. My employer's list is slightly different than hmom's. For instance - Brown, Amherst and Swarthmore are not on the list of core schools at my employer, nor are CMU, Vanderbilt and Emory; Cornell, UChicago and Northwestern are on the core list. Core lists change year to year. Students from non-core schools with very good grades will still get in the door - although in today's environment it is far more difficult to do so.</p>