<p>When your brother begins college, 2 years after you, do you think you two might then fall into a financial need category? I know that’s hard to figure out right now, but if you’re on the edge for “almost-need” alone, then perhaps the dual sibs in college might push it over the top, and reduce costs for both of you during the 2 overlap years. </p>
<p>We’d need some financial hoo-hah whizzes to say whether there’s a way to predict this right now, or whether it’s too vague to even consider on behalf of your parents.</p>
<p>I don’t think that Carleton or Oberlin are realistic reaches for you, with no APs and only 3 honors courses. There are schools in Pennsylvania that are probably better bets than anything I can think of in northern New England. How about Providence College? </p>
<p>I would look at the The College of Wooster.</p>
<p>I second the idea of running the Princeton Review selection program. THat should give you some ideas.</p>
<p>no even with my brother in college i dont think we would be in need he is in a much better position for merit money but still our income would be too high but we are far from rich.</p>
<p>It’s only the top tiered LAC’s that may give you an edge on the Med. school application. As your record stands now, you can’t even get into the top public universities in NY (SUNY Stony Brook, SUNY Binghamton, or SUNY Geneseo). Your stats are not high enough and the rigor of your high school curriculum is not strong enough for you to be considered for the top tiered LAC’s. Even 2nd and 3rd tiered private LAC’s may be reaches. The name of your undergraduate college is not what’s going to get you into Medical School. Your undergrad GPA, undergrad recommendations, interviews, and MCAT’s will determine your ability to get into Medical School. Even if you manage by some miracle to get into a strong LAC, can you maintain a high GPA without having had a rigorous AP background as a foundation? For these reasons, you may want to strongly consider an instate public university. Not only will you save money (you’ll need it for med. school), but you will have a better chance of maintaining the high GPA needed to go on to Medical School.</p>
<p>Sorry, don’t kill the messenger. I do wish you well and hope everything works out for you.</p>
<p>I think i would have a decent shot at the SUNYs if I got my ACT up 2 to 3 points (im really refering to Stony Brook; never heard of the other two). Again im not looking to get into a top LAC like Amherst and 2nd and 3rd tiers i dont think would be reaches and LACs have better pre med programs than state schools. </p>
<p>Dont’ assume you have a decent shot at Stony Brook for the sciences. Honestly, I don’t think you have a decent shot there even if you raise your ACT to 26 (which still isn’t a great score). Perhaps if you had a much higher GPA and AP classes, admissions would give your application a second look but you don’t have that. I can’t believe you’re thinking about schools in the northeast yet you’ve never heard of SUNY Binghamton and Geneseo. Look at the the threads on CC for suny Binghamton and Suny Geneseo and Suny Stony Brook and you will see how many kids got rejected with better stats than yours. And yes, 2nd and 3rd tier schools are not a guarantee for you. Also, Pre-Med is not a major. Colleges have pre-med special advisors for you and help you through the application process but you don’t major in pre-med.</p>
<p>nothing against nysmile and i dont no that much about SUNY and i dont even plan to apply but can i we get back to the main point of the thread and off SUNY system</p>
<p>So if i could get the names of some other LACs</p>
<p>I reported on the SUNY’s because of your interest in pre-med, your stats, your interest in the northeast. and the assumption that you can get into Stony Brook. You need to do more research on the Princeton Review site, the College Board site, and specific college websites (under-profile of incoming freshmen). </p>
<p>Take a minute and look at Miami University in Ohio and Lake Forest College outside of Chicago. Miami is public, smaller than MSU (16,000) but active greek/sports/etc. ACT 50% 24 - 28. Lake Forest is a small (<2000) LAC on Lake Michigan north of Chicago but has similar characteristics ACT 50% 24-29. Miami University’s acceptance rate into medschool is somewhere around 68% from what I can find and I can’t locate Lake Forests’ but if you were interested and e-mailed the school I’m sure they can tell you.</p>
<p>Agree with Momofthreeboys. Miami has great school spirit. Although it is a public Uni, it has a LAC “feel.” Lake Forest has a good rep for FA, don’t know about a wrestling program, but has decent sport programs. Several of my DS and DD friends who have gone there and enjoyed their experience.</p>
<p>W&J in Washington, PA. D3 wrestling, excellent grad/med school placement, 20 miles to Pittsburgh. If you are interested there and want to wrestle, contact Coach Robison, he’s a very good, but very dedicated coach. John Carroll in Cleveland would be another of the better LACs with wrestling in the midwest. If you want the LAC, stick with it, you’ll find plenty of options. Other non-wresting schools thst might work would be Juniata near State College PA and Hiram south of Cleveland.</p>
<p>I have been very impressed with a nice LAC run by the Benedictine monks in Manchester, NH-St. Anselm College-the students get a solid liberal arts education-nice place!</p>
<p>I’m just going to throw something out there for you to think about, John. You have a decent gpa & a decent ACT score. You were advised not to take AP classes. Do you truly understand how very difficult med school is? What changes do you think are going to occur in YOU that will take you from where you are today to where you want to end up (successfully completing med school)? I am not trying to be mean. But you need to think long & hard about how to get to point B from point A. My advice would be this: If you really think you want to be a doctor, you need to find a school that will prepare YOU to be a doctor. You could go to a school with great med school acceptance stats … like UMich … but that won’t necessarily get YOU into med school. You need a place where you can blossom academically. You will need to find a place where you can get to know profs, where academic support is plentiful, and where you can learn to learn. </p>
<p>In Michigan, I would suggest looking into places like Alma, Adrian, Aquinas. In Ohio, maybe Wittenberg or Wooster. Knox College in IL is another … in fact, you might want to read “Colleges That Change Lives” for more college ideas.</p>
<p>i wasnt advised not to take AP courses i have no idea why i put it. i just decided not to take them because i needed to get my gpa up. i was just worried about off topic comments like i should have taken them. im actually quite intelligent and looking back i probably could have gotten an A in APUSH and i chose not to take AP CHEM because of its notorious reputation.</p>
<p>The bottom line is, you will have to challenge yourself a considerable amount in college in order to get into med school (not to mention get through it). You need to find a place that helps you rise to the level of academic excellence you will need to succeed in this area. Again, I suggest CTCL as a great resource for finding exactly this kind of environment.</p>
<p>The fact that you chose not to take a course because it was hard does not bode well for you. I’m sorry, but I want my doctor to have been really challenged and proved him or herself to be smart and dedicated enough. Not to burst your bubble or anything.</p>
<p>so are you saying i shouldnt be a doctor because i skipped on a hard class that would have hurt my GPA and lessened my already low chances of getting into a half way decent college? I plan on challenging myself in college but first I have to get there.</p>
<p>Not taking AP classes will hurt you more than getting a B instead of an A in them. Not challenging yourself will instantly put you out of competition at pretty much all of the top tier LACs.</p>