<p>Most of the people in my school were not aware of how important college can really be... so they slacked off.</p>
<p>Now I'm trying to help them look for schools where the cost is not too high, acceptance is almost certain, and the app deadline is not close (maybe past Jan).</p>
<p>They are all fairly "intelligent" individuals... they just didnt apply themselves on time...</p>
<p>Anyways, I know state schools are their main options but I know at least one of them does not want to stay in San Diego..... and yes community college to then transfer over is the last option. </p>
<p>I do have another friend who is incredibly intelligent, but it seems as though he has completely disregarded the idea of going to college. His brother is at one of the main three schools (HYP). </p>
<p>He kind of slacked off and I guess he might feel overshadowed by his brother and now he claims he does not want to go to college Im still not sure if this is true because just the other day he was talking to me about FAFSA and how I should apply for it. I asked him if he himself had done that and he said he did request the PIN so Im not too sure what he is planning on doing.</p>
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<p>Sorry to post here but I feel I get the best answers around here.</p>
<p>That really depends on the SAT, GPA, student's interests, and the financial situation (for starters, anyway).</p>
<p>There is also the issue of whether the student will really be ready to work next fall. There is only so much you can do if the student is not self-motivated.</p>
<p>ONEKID.......how goes it? Hope you are doing well and that you got all of your own financial stuff filed.....we all watch for you hear. Now I see you are racking up community service.... good for you.</p>
<p>OneKid, Many of the Cal States are still taking applications. In particular, I like Humboldt State and Monterrey Bay for people looking for smaller schools. D. has friends that got into both schools with very low test scores or not-so-hot grades. The <a href="http://www.csumentor.edu%5B/url%5D">www.csumentor.edu</a> is the place to look for other great cal state opportunities. Outside of California, Northern Arizona U is a good school in beautiful Flagstaff, AZ. that accepts some less than stellar students. Other possibilities include Southern Oregon U, Oregon State U, Washington State, U of Montana, U of Idaho.</p>
<p>In terms of private schools, the following schools accept some less-than-stellar students: Linfield College, Pacific U (both Oregon), Whittier, U of San Francisco, Dominican College of California, and California Lutheran (Calif), Seattle U and Pacific Lutheran (Washington), Albertson College (Idaho), Carroll College (Montana).</p>
<p>If your friends want to look beyond the west coast, some suggestions would include: LEnoir Rhyne and Guilford College (NC), Ripon College (Wisc.), Augustana College (Il.), St. Ambrose College (Iowa), Hartwick College (NY), Stonehill (Mass), Temple U (PA), Susquehanna U (PA),Otterbein and Muskigum (Ohio). But not all of these have late deadlines.</p>
<p>It is nice of you to help your friends, but, in the end, they're the ones that will have to research these schools and get a move on in terms of applying.</p>
<p>the one kid: remember that your friends may need to look at community colleges if their grades and SAT's aren't that hot. The CC can be a good starting point for those who haven't worked as hard as they should have in hs.</p>
<p>DS did this to me last night...after some of his classmates heard about his mit, chicago and service academy successes they began to ask him for help. Yesterday. The phone and his AIM were constantly going off. He tried to help them the best he could.</p>
<p>There is one in particular that I would like to give better suggestions to. She is #2 to son's #1 rank and is very similar to him stat-wise. She has a 4.0 unweighted, 4.95 weighted, high SAT's (don't know for sure but can get) 5 APs already 5 in bio, 5 in english,4 spanish,4 chem, 5 enviro. She has AP calc ab/bc this year, AP english, AP Spanish VI, AP psych and some other honors. </p>
<p>Since she was only going to apply to 2 in-state schools, nc state and carolina she did not take the sat 2s. She is willing to in january, but will that be too late? She would like to major in engineering (environmental) and money is really not a problem but it would be nice if merit money was a factor. I tried to steer to some schools, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Duke but would appreciate any suggestions.</p>
<p>She would like to leave the area, but she did not realize she had the ability. Seriously. Completely doubted herself until she saw son's results. I know she has many community service hours and is active in clubs with my son. I just wish she would have asked sooner. One of his other friends did and they both applied to west point and have both received their noms on the same day!</p>
<p>katwkittens, for most schools she will need to take some SAT IIs. The SAT IIs offered on January 28th should be fine if she rushes the scores. Check out how many each school requires. The last day for regular registration is tomorrow, but late registration is until January 4th, and, to be honest, my D took ALL her SAT IIs as a standby on 3 different test sessions. This will require some quick work for applications, however. Northwestern's application is quite involved with multiple essays. SAT IIs are not "required" but are recommended (3). </p>
<p>Other schools for her to look at would be Carnegie Mellon in Pittsburgh, Case Western Reserve U in Cleveland and DEFINITELY Univ of Michigan. All are looking for female engineers. And, interestingly, though my daughter was accepted EA to her dream school, while eating dinner last night she was called by the admissions offices of both Cal Tech and MIT (she did not apply to either). So they're still looking for good women too, it seems. Good luck!</p>
<p>Kat, Actually some very good engineering schools with enviro. engineering programs do not require the SAT II's. Submitting them are optional at the U of Rochester for instance. Rennselear Polytech, another school with an accredited enviro. engin. program also does not require the SAT II. USC doesn't either, nor does Southern Methodist U. There are others as well.</p>
<p>I would suggest you go to the ABET (American Board of Engineering Training) site at <a href="http://www.abet.org%5B/url%5D">www.abet.org</a>. They have a searchable database for accredited engineering programs, and you can search for schools that offer accredited enviro. eng. programs and then see which ones don't require the SAT II's. While taking them in Jan. is also an option, many schools require them to be taken by December to meet admissions deadlines, so she should also find a few schools that don't require the SAT II's at all.</p>
<p>If you're looking east, like Carolyn said Hartwick is a good LAC with some 3+2 programs, and Hartwick(NY) really looks at the student past SATs.</p>
<p>Kat, Johns Hopkins has EnvEng in the department called "doggie" by those here: Dept of Geography and Environmental Eng. I don't think SAT2 is required, just the SAT1 or ACT.</p>
<p>Women in engineering are the HUGE minority group that is much recruited.</p>
<p>As an alum of JHU DOGEE (environmental engineering, no less!) I heartily endorse wyogal's suggestion. :D</p>
<p>SAT II scores are not required.
Middle 50th Percentile SATs for admitted students in '05: V 660-760, M 680-780.
Get that application going fast: deadline is Jan. 1 !</p>
<p>I just got in so I will foward all these great suggestions to her as soon as possible. Hopefully later tonight after son gets home from his meet. I am excited that she could have more options and some fantastic ones at that. I will also follow up with the engineering link Carolyn provided and see what I can find for her.</p>
<p>Again thank you all so much, I know DS will appreciate your advice, he always does, hence his MIT and Chicago acceptance!!</p>
<p>RICE has great engineering. She'll need two SAT II's, and apps are due Jan 10th. Total cost at Rice is much lower than comparable U's and there is quite a lot of merit money available, especially in engineering. It's a school of 2900 undergrad, great campus...</p>
<p>KwK, I thought of Rice, too, but too sick to look anything up - if she can rush her SATII scores, I bet they would take them. How about Ga Tech? Although, I would prefer my kid went to Rice, DD has a girlfriend who is in engineering at Ga Tech.</p>
<p>kat, just checked. Case Western Reserve does not require SAT IIs or teacher recommendations (though one is recommended) and has a free on-line application with a deadline of January 15th. U Mich does NOT require SAT IIs and has a superb engineering program. CMU requires two SAT IIs in specific subjects (one of the Maths then Physics, Chem, or Bio depending on the school) and has an RD deadline of January 1st. They note that "all available materials" should be submitted by then; your son's friend should call to verify that they would accept Jan SAT II scores. Not all schools have enviro engineering, so she will need to decide if this is the most important thing to her.</p>