<p>I knew my kid picked the right school when I was watching an all-star high school basketball game about a month ago and they identified a Notre Dame recruit. A few minutes later they talked for some time about the fact that this kid was also an eagle scout-they talked about rare that was and how great it was to see it.</p>
<p>So much for the doomsayers.</p>
<p><a href=“http://newsinfo.nd.edu/news/11894[/url]”>http://newsinfo.nd.edu/news/11894</a></p>
<p>but let’s wait until we see the final admission statistics for the class of 2013. my point is that an ND admissions officer told me , in a one on one conversation, that they expected 17,000+ applicants this year and did not even get close to this number.</p>
<p>Williams had a 20% drop in applications this year, Swarthmore 10%. I don’t think either school will suffer for it, however. Notre Dame had an increase in applications, and if it expected more than it got that can hardly be considered catastrophic. After all, who knows (or cares) how many were anticipated? Well, YOU know, of course, and you’ll be only too happy to tell everyone else- over and over.</p>
<p>And what, exactly, is your point? If this forum is any indication, many students apply to schools without being fully versed in each school’s financial aid process or track record. If application numbers fell (not confirmations, applications), and you want to link that to the economic status of the country, I think it’s much more logical that an aversion to private schools in general, rather than to Notre Dame’s specific policies, factored into the application process. </p>
<p>I’m not interested enough to do the exhaustive research you seem to have done, but if you have numbers that demonstrate that other, comparable (both academically and financially), schools are not presenting this same phenomenon, please share. If they are, it proves my point, unless you plan on indicting the entire system of higher education. I don’t mind if you are, but please don’t present it as a specific attack on Notre Dame when this forum is very influential in the decision making process of applicants. A biased attack would promote undue resentment towards Notre Dame, unfairly swaying prospective applicants from a spectacular institution.</p>
<p>Kevdude – Nicely stated.</p>
<p>MiPerson – I suggest you go back and re-read my 6/11/09 post to help you understand how the way ND configured their application process clearly put a damper on the normal increase schools could see from being in the common app. Unfortunately, it is counter to one comment made by one admissions person to you, but it is real. At the end, it does not matter, they have over 14K applications for only ~2300 spots…and 75% traditionally are qualified. Their class academic profile increases year over year…let it alone.</p>
<p>I happened upon this list of yield rankings. It reinforces what Getty59 was explaining to MiPerson: that so many Notre Dame applicants have suitable qualifications that the incoming class would be well-qualified even if the number of applicants decreased considerably.</p>
<p>Thursday, August 28, 2008
2007 SAT Weighted Yield Rankings
R1–ranked by the SATed yield: yield*(SAT25%+SAT75%)/2
R2-- ranked by yield</p>
<p>R1 R2 School</p>
<p>1 1 Harvard
2 2 Yale
3 4 MIT
4 3 Stanford
5 5 Princeton
6 6 Penn
7 8 Columbia
8 10 Brown
9 9 Notre Dame
10 7 U Florida
11 14 Dartmouth
12 11 UNC Chapel Hill
13 13 UVA
14 12 UT Austin
15 16 Georgetown
16 15 Cornell
17 19 Duke
18 26 CalTech
19 21 Georgia Tech
20 17 U Washington
21 25 Vanderbilt
22 23 UC Berkeley
23 24 NYU
24 30 Chicago
25 33 WUSTL
26 29 William & Mary
27 28 Wake Forest
28 27 UCLA
29 32 Rice
30 34 Northwestern
31 31 USC
32 35 Johns Hopkins
33 36 Tufts
34 39 Emory
35 38 Lehigh
36 40 Boston College
37 37 Penn State
38 42 Brandeis
39 41 Syracuse
40 43 RPI
41 45 Carnegie Mellon
42 46 U Rochester
43 44 UC Davis
44 48 Case Western
45 47 UC San Diego
46 49 UC Irvine
47 50 UC Santa Barbara
48 18 UIUC *
49 20 Michigan *
50 22 Wisconsin-Madison *</p>
<ul>
<li>Disregard UIUC, Michigan and Wisconsin since they don’t provide SAT scores.</li>
</ul>
<p>The higher the rankings, the harder to get in by just relying on high SAT scores. For example, it is much easier to get in JHU than WUSTL when you have the same SAT scores, even though by yield rankings they are about the same; getting in Cornell and Duke is about the same, rather than a relative large gap by yield rankings. You have to compare similar schools. It will not work to compare CalTech and Duke.
Posted by Mathacle.com at 6:10 AM<br>
Labels: College Admissions</p>
<p>For an out of state student, Michigan costs the same as ND. BTW, all my son’s friends who just graduated from ND have good jobs, Microsoft, Boeing, target. His friends who went to UNC are unemployed. Obviously not just the school. The caliber of student at ND is higher than instate attendees of UNC.</p>