<p>I'm white and if I put that I'm black on my app, will they ever find out? Lets say btw that I don't get called for an interview.</p>
<p>They might (via facebook, etc.), but if you wouldn’t get to an interview, why would you bother? If you did get to an interview, why would you bother? You’d have an instant black mark on your record (no pun intended), your application would be instantly rejected, and I wouldn’t be surprised if med schools shared that info amongst themselves. </p>
<p>Your questions are getting more and more inane.</p>
<p>When you send in things like your transcript and act/sat scores, I’m pretty sure they state your race xD.</p>
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<p>Ahhhhhhh okay…??? </p>
<p>Race shouldn’t even be a factor to begin with. Countless qualified applicants have been turned down and less qualified have been accepted simply because of skin color.</p>
<p>…and we’re not supposed to debate affirmative action on here:</p>
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<p>You know better, Columbia09.</p>
<p>If you don’t think race should be a factor, why check a box at all? I also think your counselor may review your application, though I’m not entirely sure if all schools do that.</p>
<p>" Countless qualified applicants have been turned down and less qualified have been accepted simply because of skin color. "</p>
<p>Columbia: If I can mollify your sentiment a little allow me this line of reasoning. Depending on what sorts of colleges you’re targeting – your line of logic is one-dimensional and inaccurate.</p>
<p>Let’s assume we’re talking about an Ivy-type college. That school will have targets/unofficial quotas and goals for certain subgroups. Frankly, set aside slots for certain categories. They can be X for athletes, Y for super-science/tech/math whiz applicants, Z for a URM group, etc. etc.</p>
<p>If an applicant happens to be one of those, the college will then pool them and evaluate them in that context. If the college has set aside 100 slots for athletes, and there are 300 applicants, they will do their best to find the top 100 among those applicants. They would have no reason to go outside their pool of 300 to fill one since those outside the pool don’t have the requisite athletic feature.</p>
<p>This same logic applies to each of the designated sub-groups. So if you’re a non-athlete, you’ll NEVER be in contention against one of those 300 applicants. None of those 100 slots will EVER be yours. And the same with set-aside slots for legacies, internationals, URMs, musicians, nursing students, development kids, etc. </p>
<p>So the African American kid with what you would consider “mediocre” stats isn’t going to be admitted over a white N Virginia suburbanite. That kid will take the slot of a less qualfied African American applicant.</p>
<p>Depending on the school, a scenario can exist where within a URM sub-group of applicants, the college may not fine enough whom they see can meet the minimum standards. Then those slots are even taken away and given to other groups – thereby garnering less admits than the school even desires.</p>
<p>Your issue should be focused on how each school determines its numbers of set asides for each subgroup. To pinpoint the avg SAT/GPA of each sub group and cry foul misses the point. Those slots were never up for grabs to begin with. If this flies against your idea of “fairness” then act to move the colleges to blur those set asides. But that black kid who is admitted is keeping out another black kid. Not some white kid’s slot.</p>
<p>Many schools require a photo. Don’t lie. Poor form. Bad idea.</p>
<p>I’m just trying to picture the look on Columbia09’s face when he shows up for Freshman orientation and realizes he’s been placed with an AA advisor who is aware of his self-identification.</p>
<p>Dont GC’s have to check a race box when sending in transcripts? I thought I read that somewhere here on CC before.</p>
<p>In Jean Fetter’s book “Questions and Admissions: Reflections on 100,000 Admissions Decisions at Stanford University”, she describes a case where a candidate did exactly that. He was of course discovered and asked to withdraw once he arrived on campus.<br>
Remember that you are signing a statement at the end of every application attesting to the truth of all of the information provided, and that schools retain the right to rescind admission indefinitely.</p>
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<p>Getting thrown out of school would be bad … even worse would be having your diploma revoked after you graduate for lying on your application. Ignoring the morality of the choice here IMO the downside risk if you’re caught swamps any possible gain from lying.</p>
<p>It’s immoral. That’s why you shouldn’t do it. It’s really a shame some people need consequences to stop them from doing things that are just plain wrong. And it’s really sad that honest kids have to compete with cheating boneheads.</p>
<p>Titomorito attempts to lay down the law with this quote:</p>
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<p>But a thorough analysis of this situation reveals that racial quotas/bias/legalities are rarely if ever discussed on this forum. The best this forum can do is to direct us to a sticky at the top of the message board.</p>
<p>2112rush, inflammatory posts like yours are why I quoted the FAQ. Don’t try to turn this thread into an AA debate again. It’s not an issue of not discussing it, so much as it is about avoiding flamewars, which you’re trying hard to incite.</p>
<p>You could wear makeup. :)</p>
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