Majoring in English?

<p>In a lousy job market, it makes sense to pair an English major or minor with a business or STEM major or minor. </p>

<p>English majors alone are hard to market, but most business and STEM majors have difficulty communicating well in writing. Yet a business or STEM major who has the proven ability to write well will stand out from the crowd and often get the most job offers.</p>

<p>The problem with many English majors is that they can’t write in the fashion that employers want them to: clear and concise and, typically, at an 8th grade level than everyone can understand easily. Flowery language with SAT-type words and multiple subordinate clauses may win a writing prize, but not usually an entry-level job in Corporate America.</p>

<p>LoremIpsum, where did you get the idea that English majors write in flowery language with SAT-type words and multiple subordinate clauses? That’s high school writing, not college level writing for a serious writer. </p>

<p>One of my Ds graduated with a BA in English/creative writing and her only complaint was that too many peers gravitated to her major because it was relatively easy to fulfill if you did the minimum work for the major. Maybe that’s why the survey placed English majors so low on the list of useful majors? She’s had no problem finding employment in a very competitive field where she’s expected to read voraciously and at lightning speed, and to write clearly, plainly, and quickly. In other words, it’s a perfect fit for her. I agree with the person who said you do what you love. She was lucky enough to know what she loved and it took her where she wanted to go.</p>

<p>Greylady, I love your post and I’m happy to read your success story!</p>

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<p>I was editor-in-chief of my college paper. I also used to proofread/edit college papers for pay and write resumes professionally. I read a lot of college papers, many hundreds of them written by English majors.</p>

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<p>If English does attract a lot of students who have little real plan for college, job, and career, it is easy to see such students dragging down the overall averages in employment rates and post-graduation pay levels.</p>

<p>It does appear to be a relatively popular and common major among liberal arts majors. For example, it is the seventh most popular major at Berkeley: <a href=“https://career.berkeley.edu/Major/Major.stm[/url]”>https://career.berkeley.edu/Major/Major.stm&lt;/a&gt; .</p>

<p>For those who think that scholarship in English literature is about clarity and communication:</p>

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The Bad Writing Contest celebrates the most stylistically lamentable passages found in scholarly books and articles published in the last few years. Ordinary journalism, fiction, departmental memos, etc. are not eligible, nor are parodies: entries must be non-ironic, from serious, published academic journals or books. Deliberate parody cannot be allowed in a field where unintended self-parody is so widespread.</p>

<p>Two of the most popular and influential literary scholars in the U.S. are among those who wrote winning entries in the latest contest.</p>

<p>Judith Butler, a Guggenheim Fellowship-winning professor of rhetoric and comparative literature at the University of California at Berkeley, admired as perhaps “one of the ten smartest people on the planet,” wrote the sentence that captured the contest’s first prize. Homi K. Bhabha, a leading voice in the fashionable academic field of postcolonial studies, produced the second-prize winner.</p>

<p>“As usual,” commented Denis Dutton, editor of Philosophy and Literature, “this year’s winners were produced by well-known, highly-paid experts who have no doubt labored for years to write like this. That these scholars must know what they are doing is indicated by the fact that the winning entries were all published by distinguished presses and academic journals.”</p>

<p>Professor Butler’s first-prize sentence appears in “Further Reflections on the Conversations of Our Time,” an article in the scholarly journal Diacritics (1997):</p>

<pre><code>The move from a structuralist account in which capital is understood to structure social relations in relatively homologous ways to a view of hegemony in which power relations are subject to repetition, convergence, and rearticulation brought the question of temporality into the thinking of structure, and marked a shift from a form of Althusserian theory that takes structural totalities as theoretical objects to one in which the insights into the contingent possibility of structure inaugurate a renewed conception of hegemony as bound up with the contingent sites and strategies of the rearticulation of power.
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<p>Dutton remarked that “it’s possibly the anxiety-inducing obscurity of such writing that has led Professor Warren Hedges of Southern Oregon University to praise Judith Butler as ‘probably one of the ten smartest people on the planet’.”</p>

<p>This year’s second prize went to a sentence written by Homi K. Bhabha, a professor of English at the University of Chicago. It appears in The Location of Culture (Routledge, 1994):</p>

<pre><code>If, for a while, the ruse of desire is calculable for the uses of discipline soon the repetition of guilt, justification, pseudo-scientific theories, superstition, spurious authorities, and classifications can be seen as the desperate effort to “normalize” formally the disturbance of a discourse of splitting that violates the rational, enlightened claims of its enunciatory modality.
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<p>This prize-winning entry was nominated by John D. Peters of the University of Iowa, who describes it as “quite splendid: enunciatory modality, indeed!”</p>

<p>Ed Lilley, an art historian at the University of Bristol in the U.K., supplied a sentence by Steven Z. Levine from an anthology entitled Twelve Views of Manet’s “Bar” (Princeton University Press, 1996):</p>

<pre><code>As my story is an august tale of fathers and sons, real and imagined, the biography here will fitfully attend to the putative traces in Manet’s work of “les noms du p
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<p>The numbers put out by Berkley are very interesting. Be sure to click on the link.</p>

<p>Here are more <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/internships-careers-employment/1121619-university-graduate-career-surveys.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/internships-careers-employment/1121619-university-graduate-career-surveys.html&lt;/a&gt; .</p>

<p>LoremIpsum, I’m just curious now, but were you an English major? I was not but I took a number of courses and it was a rude awakening for me, a very flowery, wordy writer. The emphasis was on clarity and terse writing and I struggled to rein in my multiple subordinate clauses. I respect your experience but I also wonder at the population you saw. I never once paid to have my papers edited. If I needed help, I met with professors or TA’s or asked friends to peer edit. </p>

<p>I was struck by the high quality of the writing at the honors reading for writing concentrators at D’s college her senior year. These were the kids graduating with honors in writing so it tells me that there had to have been some sort of emphasis on clarity and quality.</p>

<p>I don’t disagree that there are poor writers majoring in English. As I said earlier, the major tends to have fewer and easier requirements than many others and may attract those undergrads looking for an “easy” major. I don’t agree that this type of flowery writing characterizes English majors, at least not those who excel at writing.</p>

<p>3girls, I majored in finance; as the child of immigrants, I was strongly encouraged to learn “something practical” in college. I took over the editorship to demonstrate managerial ability on my resume – which delighted my news editor to no end because I didn’t care about interviewing the big names visiting campus, so she got great portfolio pieces.</p>

<p>The papers were mostly written by students at 4-year public and private universities, with a few from a Top-20 college. I don’t doubt that many of these students could be taught to write concisely, it’s just that all the incentives point the other way: when you have to repeatedly write 10 and 20-page papers, you learn to embellish to fill the space required – and throwing in the “SAT word” here and there is no different than the tendency in business and educational writing to toss in a good selection of the current hot buzzwords.</p>

<p>Yes, you will get English professors wise enough to train their charges to focus on quality rather than quantity, and I don’t doubt that these professors would gravitate toward teaching the honors-level classes. In general, however, I think this type of concise writing in plain English tends to fall more into the domain of the journalism department rather than the English department.</p>

<p>My first semester in college I took a political theory course. I worked hard on my papers and generally got B+'s. At some point the prof decided to make A papers available for us to read at the library so we would know what to aspire to. I read a few. They sounded like the academic writing quoted above. And that was pretty much the day I decided to be an architect. I also decided to give up trying to write A papers for that class. Instead it became a bit of a game to see how little I could do and still get a B. (It turned out that reading only 3 pages of an entire book of Nietzsche was enough.) Interesting the art history and architecture professors I had consistently praised my concise and easy to read writing style, which I learned in high school, not college.</p>

<p>My papers were always theoretically too short. 12-15 pages were never more than 10. 6-8 page papers usually came in at 5. It’s a wonder I managed to get over 100 for my senior thesis (though I admit half of them were photos and diagrams!)</p>

<p>Thanks to everyone. I really enjoyed the discussion and the insight gained.</p>

<p>In general, it seems that a student’s post-college options will be driven not only by academic performance and references, but also by internships, outside fellowship opportunities, relevant job experience, etc. English majors may get a “bad rap”, but it is really what you do with your opportunities that matters.</p>

<p>Our recent college grad was an English-Creative Writing major with a poly-sci minor. Multiple internships, including a funded fellowship took this student across the globe for NGO work, to Capitol Hill, to NGO communications work, to study on 3 additional campuses (2 abroad), etc. Time on campus included tutoring peers in writing, editing/writing for school paper and leadership roles in political clubs. The passion for global issues fueled the writing focus. Student is now at a top 5 grad school pursuing interests in international development after attending a small, rural, 2nd tier LAC. While grades and recs were excellent, admission would have been unlikely without the other experiences. I believe this scenario is relevant to many majors besides English. It’s how you connect the dots. Career options are the next phase, but responses to apps have been good. I hope that concerned parents find this encouraging.</p>

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I think this is true–for example, you will have a better shot at an elite law school if you come from an elite undergrad school. English is a great major if you’re interested in law–but the job market is tough now, unless you come from a top law school.</p>

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<p>English is definitely a popular pre-law major, but what makes it necessarily a better major for pre-law purposes than any other major, whether popular (e.g. political science) or not (e.g. philosophy, math, religious studies, or physics)?</p>

<p>My experience was that law school involved a lot of close reading of texts, and I think an English major was good preparation for that. I don’t think any major is particularly useful in terms of preparing you for the subject matter of law school.</p>