"Man on the street" - what do they think are the best colleges?

<p>I was really struck by this post by bclintonk on another thread. (He is referring to Haverford, where his daughter is at school.)</p>

<p>*My D1 attends a very good LAC just outside Philadelphia that very few people here in Minnesota have ever heard of. When she's back home, she gets questions all the time, like: "How did you end up way out there?" or a quizzical, "Do you have family there, or something?" They mean no harm by it. These are ordinary, mainstream, predominantly white, urban and suburban, working-class and middle-class Minnesotans--just your classic slice of middle America--but for many of them the idea of going halfway across the country to attend college because of the perceived quality of the academic experience is something that's just completely outside their experience. They've never attended elite colleges, no one in the families ever attended elite colleges, and if you asked them, they'd probably tell you they don't feel they're missing anything.
On the other hand, many have attended college themselves, or even graduated from one, and some even lived on-campus while doing so. But they just don't get caught up in the prestige game, and for the most part they take the view that one college is as good as the next; the important thing is to go to college, and to complete college, and hopefully to come out the other end with some enhanced skills that improve your career prospects. But they're just not into chasing prestige or some elusive notion of academic quality, and certainly not willing to uproot themselves from family, friends, and community in pursuit of things as ephemeral, and perhaps ultimately trivial, as that. *</p>

<p>I find it oddly fascinating to ask ordinary working people that I come into contact with what they would say are the "best colleges." I find that most can come up with one or two, are otherwise stumped, and really couldn't care less than they don't know any more.</p>

<p>Today's experiment: At a Hallmark store (suburban Chicago).
Young woman, early twenties: "Stanford."
Older woman, mid fifties: "Notre Dame."
Can you think of any more? No.
Have you heard of ... Harvard, Yale, Princeton, MIT, etc. Oh yes, I guess so.
How about Northwestern or Univ of Chicago? Oh, yeah, I've heard of Northwestern.</p>

<p>They weren't particularly bothered, they had no interest in learning what the "true" answers were, and it was just clear that this was a topic that was of little interest or relevance. </p>

<p>It just strikes me in light of the supposed shock-and-awe that a lot of hs seniors think elite schools have. No, they really don't, not to the general populace. Certainly my D's top 10 LAC isn't well known at all by the masses outside its geographic area.</p>

<p>Ok, now you all try this experiment, let me know what you find out! Don't do white collar environments -- do gas stations, mom-and-pop stores, 7-11's, places of that nature.</p>

<p>Well around here (Boston) people know that if ya go to Hahvid or MIT ya must be smaaht and woohk haahd, and they know that Tufts straddles Meffa and Summavil. Also everyone knows someone that’s woohking their way through nort easton paaht time.</p>

<p>I’ll play. Asked two people at a restaurant in the northern suburbs of Atlanta. </p>

<p>First - Girl, early 20’s, herself a senior at Mercer in Macon GA. Best colleges, Harvard and Yale. “Have you ever heard of Amherst or Williams?” Blank look, no.</p>

<p>Second - Girl, late 20’s. Best colleges, North Georgia College and Lanier Tech. “Have you ever heard of Amherst or Williams?” Blank look, no.</p>

<p>Students in my school think that anything famous is an Ivy League.</p>

<p>When I told someone my son attends Brown, he responded “You mean he works for UPS?”</p>

<p>Just kidding ;)</p>

<p>Being from rural Minnesota I completely understand what he said. When I tell pretty much any student at my school that I am leaving Minnesota to attend college they are shocked! Around here you go to SCSU, Bemedji, NDSU, SDSU or the U of Minnesota and thats about it. We have had one student attend an ivy, University of Pennsylvania, and everybody thought she was at Penn State!
A friend of mine from a different school about 30 minutes away was accepted to Harvard and when I informed another friend about it she said “whats the big deal? You will get into Harvard, everyone smart goes there!” They have no clue about anything relating to Ivies, which is quite a refreshing break from CC!</p>

<p>I now chuckle thinking back when more than one parent asked if Amherst College was a community college. Smile and nod. :)</p>

<p>Amherst is an adult retirement community near me, though local Indians are protesting the name.</p>

<p>Who cares? The man in the street is often clueless about things much more important than college rankings.</p>

<p>Mini, if I retire there, would I get in because I am a legacy? :)</p>

<p>The “man on the street” in our state would probably name Harvard and Stanford. When I tell people DS goes to Princeton it seems half have heard of it. The “H bomb” would surely elicite a different response. The typical response regarding DD attending Duke is a reference to basketball.</p>

<p>Around here we’ve got a good many elite school grads. AND, within those grads, living among them, doing just as well, we have a lot of graduates of Kansas, Iowa, Boulder…</p>

<p>No difference.</p>

<p>Everyone still talks about the Good Wife and Parenthood. everyone still loved “moonrise kingdom” and everyone gets in the same type of cars to drive to the train.</p>

<p>If a kid is going to Harvard? great. If they are going to Boulder? Great. Nobody cares. One thing, though, everybody goes. Everyone.</p>

<p>“Mini, if I retire there, would I get in because I am a legacy?”</p>

<p>Not too far from us is a “Williams Cemetery”. I’m a legacy, but I’m getting cremated (if they ever find the body…)</p>

<p>(It’s all male though - the females go to the William and Mary one.)</p>

<p>Most of the colleges many think are elite don’t make the cut. So many small LACs thought highly of by those in a given region aren’t worthwhile to most outside that region. I’ve learned about so many that were under the radar. Likewise so many don’t even give equally good public U’s in the Midwest a thought. I have looked at many college websites to try to figure out why some think they are great and so far would not have had my child bother with them.</p>

<p>Minn residents in the Twin Cities would add UW-Madison to their list due to reciprocity- a benefit to both states.</p>

<p>btw the best colleges answer varies with your area. “Best” is relative.</p>

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<p>This happens around Penn quite frequently irking students at Penn. Penn sells sweatshirt with “Penn not Penn State.” They used to talk about changing their name not to get confused with Penn State.</p>

<p>The worm was at honor’s assembly, end of junior year. He was leaving HS to attend a tech school. The Principal asked why he would go to a state school in CA. His physicians never heard of the school, and so on. Caltech. First person from his HS to apply there. Just not on anyone’s radar. His godfather Said, 'too bad not cal Poly, that isn’t really good school". </p>

<p>Remember that there was a thread, smile and nod? We both became good at the nod and run.</p>

<p>Since we are having fun, let me repost this.</p>

<p>“UPenn is NOT Penn State”
Actually, it was. In 1779 when the state of Pennsylvania seized the College fearing it to be a Tory stronghold, the College was renamed “University of the State of Pennsylvania.” Realizing how unprestigious this was, the legislature renamed the institution “University of Pennsylania.”</p>

<p>[University</a> of Pennsylvania - WikiCU, the Columbia University wiki encyclopedia](<a href=“http://www.wikicu.com/University_of_Pennsylvania]University”>University of Pennsylvania - WikiCU, the Columbia University wiki encyclopedia)</p>

<p>“The California Institute of Technology is a University like MIT on the outskirts of Los Angeles, but many say that it is a SMBD Association with Housing.”</p>

<p>[Caltech</a> - WikiCU, the Columbia University wiki encyclopedia](<a href=“http://www.wikicu.com/Caltech]Caltech”>Caltech - WikiCU, the Columbia University wiki encyclopedia)</p>

<p>“How Princeton got to be as prestigious as Harvard and Yale is mysterious, given its academic situation. The school gives an extremely high priority to undergraduate education, but has not the physical resources/intellectual capacity to harbor academics which extend beyond the undergraduate level.”</p>

<p>[Princeton</a> University - WikiCU, the Columbia University wiki encyclopedia](<a href=“http://www.wikicu.com/Princeton]Princeton”>Princeton University - WikiCU, the Columbia University wiki encyclopedia)</p>

<p>Texas, that is hilarious. The first school that accepted the worm for grad school was P… I did a jig when on phone with him. To me, that was such an honor. He cut out several other weekend interviews when that came through. </p>

<p>My friends son was an athletic recruit, yet strong in academics. His choice at end was between Penn and P…ton. He went with the former, based on coach. Others want engineering major, and have to adjust prestige of the college with that dept. Cornell is just strong in engineering.</p>

<p>bookworm - D went to admitted days at Caltech and was convinced by the students the above was true. They kept telling her why do you want to come here and suffer through school. Caltech really needs to get those kids a bit more happy.</p>

<p>Another kid at school went to Penn over Stanford because of fencing.</p>

<p>I’d say the man on the street:

  1. knows Harvard, Yale, Stanford, and probably Princeton
  2. thinks UPenn and Penn St. are the same thing
  3. thinks UChicago and U. of Illinois at Chicago are the same thing
  4. maybe has heard of MIT (though I did have one guy ask me if it was in Michigan)–probably depends on how far “into the street” you go I guess.
  5. has never heard of Caltech, or if they’re from California, thinks that it is the same thing as the California Polytechnic /Calstate universities
  6. has never heard of the best LACs, especially if they’re not from the northeast.
  7. think that Northwestern is the Northwest region if they’re not from the Midwest (actually encountered this one from a very educated person)</p>

<p>I have a theory that any reference to the state or region in the name is detrimental to prestige. If the state is mentioned in the name, prestige is augmented if you can use initials. Reference to the town is ok–Berkeley is helped by the fact that people don’t immediately recognize Berkeley as a city. Same goes for Princeton. Michigan would be better if it referred to itself as Ann Arbor. Northwestern is hopeless.</p>