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<p>Did it ever come out who blew the whistle on her and started the ball of her doom rolling? The hubby?</p>
<p>I think it was an alum of one of the schools she had falsely claimed to attend. You know how some people pride themselves on knowing evry one of their classmates? Well, this person didn’t know any Marilee…</p>
<p>“College admissions offices may have felt comfortable hiring her expertise on the “down low,” but if higher ups in college administration start worrying about the negative publicity factor associated with her past, they can put the kabosh on the hiring or insist she be fired.”</p>
<p>Yes, they could. But apparently Marilee thinks that it’s in her best interest to be profiled in the Times, and she’s no slouch when it comes to self-promotion. My reflex would be to trust her judgment on that question and suppose that this story will help her business.</p>
<p>I had been feeling a little sorry for her, because I figured that it was just a stupid mistake that took on a life of its own and came back to bite her on the a**.
But then I googled her name and found her website:
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<p>Makes me want to lose my lunch… especially the “About Marilee” section. A quote from a supposed client: "Marilee Jones is one of the most authentically wonderful people Ive ever had the pleasure to meet and work with. Shes genuinely revered for her warmth and care of others and especially for her dedication to the health of children. Shes a true superstar.</p>
<p>Ick, ick, ick…</p>
<p>Edited to add: Sorry, I didn’t mean to flout the rules by putting up her commercial web site. Anyone who wants to find it can google it themselves. It’s one of the top few links.</p>
<p>megmno-
The second testimonial was even better than the one you posted. It says
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Marilee has had her** ‘moments of truth’** and that has just made her all the more effective as a leader and all-around great human being. Her manner is so endearing, warm and** non-judgmental that people just naturally trust her.** She sees things clearly, opening people’s hearts to see new possibilities in their lives. **You just can’t be cynical very long in her presence.
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Interesting choice to put on her site…</p>
<p>New York Times wasn’t the only interview that Marilee Jones has given recently
there is an article in the December 6, 2009 issue of The Chronicle of Higher Education </p>
<p>[Truth</a> and Admissions: Former MIT Dean Seeks to Reclaim Her Name - Admissions & Student Aid - The Chronicle of Higher Education](<a href=“http://careernetwork.com/article/TruthAdmissions-Former/49366/]Truth”>http://careernetwork.com/article/TruthAdmissions-Former/49366/)</p>
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<p>So this is apparently, a well thought out publicity campaign orchestrated by Marilee’s public relations consultant. :)</p>
<p>I am puzzled that so many think that she should go back and actually earn those degrees. She worked for years as a dean, that experience is far more valuable than a degree. You want her to go back to college and take courses in administration that she could probably teach? How pointless. I just honestly don’t get it.</p>
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<p>The bottom line has already been mentioned here. Some people are willing to overlook her scandal, or are at least convinced enough that she has learned from her mistakes, etc, and hire her. Apparently none of those people are posting on this board. Fine, but they do exist. So let them go on hiring her. It’s not doing you any harm, is it?</p>
<p>Laura N-
There have been several people whe were found to be working as healthcare professionals (posing as physicians, dentists, nurses) without having had medical training. Would you want to be treated by them because they had learned via on-the-job training? What she did is called <em>fraud</em>. If the position/title/vertification requires formal education, she should get it. The rules are written for everyone-- not just for someone else.</p>
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<p>I’m a little surprised that you are an MIT alum and you seem to think that the outrage over Marilee Jones lying to MIT, resigning in disgrace, and then resurfacing and trading on the prestige of the MIT name* is somehow personal.</p>
<p>*The first sentence of the NYT article:
“Two and a half years ago, Marilee Jones, the highly regarded dean of admissions at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology,…” </p>
<p>The point, of course, is an abstract one. Our institutions only have integrity to the extent that the people in them have integrity. In science this is a big deal. You don’t go out and verify the data is correct in every paper you read. You trust in the integrity of the researchers, the diligence of the peer reviewers, the professionalism of the journal editors. None of us would get any work done if we always had to check if people were fudging the data. The system would grind to a halt. We would all pay a huge cost.</p>
<p>Or maybe you understand examples put in personal terms. A friend of mine spent 1 1/2 years of her 5 years in grad school at MIT trying to reproduce and build on some really exciting research that had just been published. She couldn’t get it to work. In a huge scandal, it turned out that the data had been faked. She had wasted 18 months of her life.</p>
<p>Fraud matters. It costs <em>ALL</em> of us a little bit in that it degrades our institutions, and costs some unfortunate individuals a lot.</p>
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<p>I don’t think she needs the knowlegde she would gain in those courses. What she needs is to right the wrong she committed. She said she had a doctorate all those years. The only way she can come close to undoing all those lies is make them the truth - to actually earn her a doctorate. It would be a form of restitution</p>
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<p>Yes, it is. Every time someone gets a job by lying on their resume, they’re depriving someone else of that job, someone who worked to earn their credentials. We’re all told to play by the rules: Be honest. Work hard for what you want. Most of us try to do that. There is a very good chance that I have missed job opportunities because someone else embellished their resume.</p>
<p>More quotations from Jones’ website for your entertainment:</p>
<p>“[A]dmired for her boldness.”</p>
<p>“The most celebrated…admissions dean in America.”</p>
<p>“…a thought leader…”</p>
<p>“…once again Marilee Jones has presented a groundbreaking new paradigm…”</p>
<p>“…all-around great human being. Her manner is so endearing, warm and non-judgmental that people just naturally trust her.”</p>
<p>And my all-time favorite:</p>
<p>“You just cant be cynical very long in her presence.”</p>
<p>Unless you know something about her, that is!</p>
<p>OMG, I just looked at the website. The woman is a shameless huckster.</p>
<p>I think there’s a far cry from practicing medicine without training and practicing administration without training. (I’m not referring to the ethical concerns of lying about it.)</p>
<p>I’m quite sure that those who are hiring her now know about the previous lies on her resume. Presumably they have forgiven her for it, or are willing to overlook it and hire her for her experience. That’s completely their decision.</p>
<p>And yes, I understand academic ethics and integrity, thank you. I’m mostly just echoing AnudduhMom’s and Jessie’s comments about the viciousness of CC. </p>
<p>I fully accept that some people will never be able to forgive her or think that she can never make up for what she did, and I respect that difference of opinion. But you can’t deny the giddiness with which some on this thread have dissected the news article and her website. If academic dishonesty were such a serious issue to those people, you would think they’d stop giggling about it.</p>
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<p>But you don’t think she should somehow try to undo the lies or right wrongs? To you is it sufficient to just say it’s all in the past and reclaim her spot as queen of college admissions?</p>
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<p>Marital fidelity is a serious issue to me, too, but it is hard to read about Tiger Woods without laughing at the guy.</p>
<p>But, you know, I’m not giggling about Jones. I’m disgusted, actually.</p>
<p>The key word that keeps surfacing here is integrity. Academic institutions, researchers as described by geomom are expected to work with integrity. Marilee didn’t and still seems to be trying to do an end run around the rules. That is just wrong. This is an ethical violation, and if she was a member of the NACAC (which I would assume she was) she has clearly violated their code of ethics <a href=“http://www.nacacnet.org/ABOUTNACAC/POLICIES/Documents/SPGP.pdf[/url]”>http://www.nacacnet.org/ABOUTNACAC/POLICIES/Documents/SPGP.pdf</a>
Violating the ethical principals will get you sanctioned at the very least, and kicked out at the most. Since she is distancing herself from the “College admissions counselor” title, I am assuming the latter is true-- she got the boot. What she is doing flys in the face of honesty and integrity, and no amout of PR spin can rectify that. As coureur said, if you want to use the titles, you have to earn them, and not by attending the school of hard knocks.</p>
<p>mantori-
Did you see the full quote in my post #85? “Moments of truth”… people “naturally trust her”. What hypocricy.</p>
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<p>Yeah, sounds really metaphysical, doesn’t it? She’s like a guru with a window into the human soul. (I didn’t take that from her website, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s in there somewhere.)</p>
<p>Some of those descriptions sound like they would fit Bernard Madoff.</p>
<p>I googled and looked at her site when the thread started. I was also disgusted knowing she had built and approved this site. The Public relations blitz…also in poor taste.</p>
<p>Anyway I didn’t share the site as I figured she makes money everytime someone goes there. Stop feeding the kitty, folks. </p>
<p>Ethics is at the top of my list in most admired qualities.</p>
<p>I would take issue with the opinion that Marilee was good as dean of admission. Marilee Jones first came to my attention because of a talk she gave to the MIT Club of Boston in May of 2005. In that talk she made the point that admissions had become more competitive over time. Her evidence was a chart showing by decade the percentage of admits in the top 10% of their class going up over time, and the average SAT scores going up over time. Except <em>all</em> of the increase in SAT had occurred between 1990 and 2000, and those of us who remembered recognized that as the time period in which the scores were re-centered. Never mentioned. On to the next slide and observations about teens and stress and blah, blah </p>
<p>I felt a stone in my gut. I felt conned, and not just by that detail, but by the overall glibness of her other assertions. That left such a bad taste that, over the next few years when my son showed his interest in applying to MIT, I had to bite my tongue. MIT won me over because of the professors, the research, the location, my continued gratitude for all the things I learned as a student there. And my son, so far, is enjoying being an MIT student. </p>
<p>Some think she did such a great job as Admissions Dean. I know for a fact that I am not the only one who got a strong uneasy feel about her, even before her disgrace. I also know for a fact that some kids were turned off by her admission spiel to the point of not applying.</p>
<p>Stu Schmill is a vast, vast improvement as Admissions Dean.</p>