<p>Would love to hear any thoughts and/or comparisons of these two great schools.</p>
<p>my sister is currently in marshall and has had many opportunities because of it. marshall is a great school, but even she will agree with my family that ross has it beat, michigan is a heavy research university, and they are very selective about who they take. im probably going into michigan as undeclared and applying to ross after my first year if i dont get into usc.</p>
<p>i know academics are a priority, but… usc is in southern california, michigan is in… michigan. 
also, usc is an up and coming school, where as michigan’s outlook is rather poor. </p>
<p>with that said, i do believe ross > marshall when it comes to undergraduate business. however, when you factor in everything else, such as weather, college experience, etc, i’d personally pick marshall.</p>
<p>Ross is a “target”. I don’t know about Marshall.
I think Ross is currently trading at $70K/yr, Marshall $50K/yr</p>
<p>Chuck,
Rankings can be controversial and subjective, but there are certain statistics which are worthwhile knowing. In the last rankings SC passed Univ. of Michigan in the National Universities’ Rankings. In recent years SC passed Univ. ov Wisconsin, Georgia Tech, William & Mary, UNC, Tufts and U. of Mich. That is from U.S. News latest rankings.</p>
<p>There are some differences. One is climate. Another is class size. SC has smaller class sizes and has a teacher student ratio of 1/9. Michigan is 1/15. SC freshman enrolled ACT 28-33, Michigan is 27-31. There is a big difference in acceptance rate, SC is 21.9% and Michigan is 42%. In alumni giving SC is ranked 7th in the nation, Michigan is 79th.
Michigan is not as diverse as SC. It is larger and will be affected by the problems in funding and cuts in the Michigan state budget. For school spirit I think they are about equal.</p>
<p>As far as the undergraduate business schools Michigan is ranked slightly higher than SC. Both are in the top ten in the nation. Michigan is ranked at 4.5, SC at 4.1. That is just .4 difference. That is not a chasm!</p>
<p>In the business schools there are specialties. U.S. News in the latest rankings ranked some specialties rather closely. For Accounting SC ranked 5th and Mich. 6th.For Int. Business Mich. ranked 4th and SC 5th. In Entrepreneurship SC ranked 3rd and Michigan was not ranked in top ten. In Real Estate SC was ranked 6th and Michigan was not ranked in the top ten. In Management Michigan was ranked 1st and SC was not ranked in the top ten. </p>
<p>It is important to visit both schools and determine the “fit”. Check out the facilities, labs, dorms and friendliness of the students. Take a tour. Walk around the campus and see what is happening. Arrange to sit in on a class. Visit the student center. Are the alumni involved in lecturing, mentoring and donating scholarships?</p>
<p>Blaw - not sure I totally understand the jargon: does ‘target’ mean a target for job recruiters? And does ‘trading at’ mean the average starting salary of recent grads?</p>
<p>My son got accepted to USC and U of M with Ross prefer admit. Both are great schools. He has been to both schools.</p>
<p>My son attended Michigan Ross day last week. He was impressed with Ross. The professors gave talks, the students gave talks, Q&A, mingle reception, tour, etc. The Ross building is brand new state of the art. Ross students even have their own gym.</p>
<p>A link to the Ross MBA/BBA graduate profiles, lots of data such as the location/industry/salary of their graduates. I don’t know of anything like this from Marshall.
<a href=“http://www.bus.umich.edu/pdf/EmploymentProfile2009.pdf[/url]”>http://www.bus.umich.edu/pdf/EmploymentProfile2009.pdf</a></p>
<p>USC has better weather. Michigan has miserable winters.
Michigan is in a nice college town. USC is in a neighborhood of LA where there are plenty of threads discussing about the safety around USC which you never see about Michigan.</p>
<p>But if you are not a prefer admit, there is no guarantee that you will get into Ross once you are at Michigan. That is a risk if you are already accepted to Marshall.</p>
<p>If my son were to choose between the 2, he would go to Ross. But he is probably not going to neither of them.</p>
<p>Chuckp, he’s messing with your head–he’s talking stock prices!</p>
<p>If you are going to consider business school rankings, make sure you take a look at the Business Week / Forbes rankings, which uses better criteria than US News and World Report for evaluating the success of “business” schools IMHO.</p>
<p>Interestingly, in this poll, USC sits in the #24 position. The top ten are:</p>
<p>Notre Dame (Mendoza)
Virginia (McIntire)
MIT (Sloan)
U-Penn (Wharton)
Cornell
UC Berkeley (Haas)
Emory (Goizueta)
Michigan (Ross)
Boston College (Carroll)
Texas (McCombs)</p>
<p>[Top</a> Undergraduate Business Programs 2010 - BusinessWeek](<a href=“http://bwnt.businessweek.com/bschools/undergraduate/10rankings/?chan=magazine+channel_special+report]Top”>http://bwnt.businessweek.com/bschools/undergraduate/10rankings/?chan=magazine+channel_special+report)</p>
<p>Good luck! You sound like you have some great choices!</p>
<p>How interesting!</p>
<p>After I am done with my post in this thread, I went back to the USC forum and the thread listed right below this one is about USC neighborhood safety which I mentioned in the post.</p>
<p>BusiyMei - I went to the Ross Pre-Admit day, too. Very impressive, great facility. Never lived through a midwest winter, though, and I wasn’t impressed with the answer the dean gave in response to a question about their grade curve. But it’s still one of my top 3 choices - as is USC. As noted I may have to go back and look at USC again since it’s been a full year since I toured. FWIW, I liked both the USC location and Ann Arbor, different as they are. Where is your son hoping to go if not Ross or Marshall?
Also, in response to Georgia Girl, I think you’re right, USC is more selective as a whole than Michigan, but the average stats for the Ross pre-admits were 1476 SAT, 33 ACT & 4.1 GPA (weighted I guess). Ross only accepts 10% of already-admitted to Michigan applicants who apply for the pre-admitted program.</p>
<p>Chuck,
SC rarely releases SAT scores for each particular school. You are comparing apples and oranges. I believe if you took the Marshall School SAT scores and grades they would be comparable to those at Michigan for Ross.</p>
<p>ChuckP,
If you were at Ross day on 3/12, you and my son might have crossed path.</p>
<p>I don’t know if I am referring to the same grade curve question, the answer was basically that is how it is, welcome to real life. Michigan is not known to have harsh curve/grade deflation like Cal or Princeton.</p>
<p>If you never been through a midwest winter, don’t like cold or snow, think long and hard about spending winter in Michigan. Do a search on winter weather in the Michigan forum, there are plenty of threads about that just like there are plenty of threads about neighborhood safety in the USC forum.</p>
<p>If you visit USC again, be sure to check out the surrounding neighborhood. The USC campus itself is nice but certain part of the neighborhood is questionable. I grew up in an urban area and was still uncomfotable.</p>
<p>My son is waiting for Princeton, Yale and Cal decisions. Also he is accepted as Regents Scholar to UCLA. Not only he got $$$. He has priority class enrollment and many other perks. The Regents Scholar Society has been giving him lots of personal attention like a junior in his intented major who is also a Regents Scholar wrote him a page long letter describing his experience at UCLA with his cell phone and email for any quesitons, he has been invited to a 2 night stay at UCLA with a student host to experience college life and meet other Regents Scholars, etc.</p>
<p>Marshall and Ross are both great choices. Good luck!</p>
<p>I want to major in finance and accounting and have shorlisted babson college and USC Marshall. Any advice? Also I have been waitlisted at Umich for LSA and will have to apply to Ross next year if I get it anyone know what are the chances of getting off the waitlist are?</p>
<p>"Ross is a “target”. I don’t know about Marshall.
I think Ross is currently trading at $70K/yr, Marshall $50K/yr "</p>
<p>This is a classic example of how mere statistical information can be used to justify and warrant a single-minded conclusion.</p>
<p>Marshall is defintely a target in the West Coast. USC Marshall is not a target for many BB banks in the East Coast just because the school is not located near the proximity of NYC. </p>
<p>With higher living costs of NYC, firms in NYC tend to pay much higher than those in LA area. THis is obvious and given.</p>
<p>If you want to work in NYC, go to Ross, for the school will give you the better legwork resource than USC marshall will. But if you enjoy sunny weather and a better living standard (not the absolute dollar figure), you should strongly consider USC.</p>