<p>Any thoughts regarding pros / cons of each?</p>
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<p>I think GT is indisputably better than UGA in everything math and science related.</p>
<p>That is why no one is replying. It’s an absurd comparison.</p>
<p>Actually, UGA is known for having better pure math and math education programs. If you want to do engineering though, it’s GT, hands down.</p>
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<p>Frankly, I’ve never heard anyone tout the Math program at Tech. It’d be an easy assumption to lump it in with the Engineering and Tech prominence, but it’d just be an assumption on my part.</p>
<p>I agreee with gadad</p>
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<p>Georgia Tech is a first tier Math program. UGA is a 2nd tier math program. Further GT has much better reputation in Math circles that UGA because of the much better CS/Engineering programs. While you can try to disconnect Math programs from other programs at each school, in practice that does not happen. Math students work with engineering and CS students very frequently because there is large overlap in those domains.</p>
<p>But I agree that UGA does have a much better Math education program. That’s largely in part because GT doesn’t have one.</p>
<p>look at it this way: go to tech and you will find jobs. go to uga and you will find drunks 
uga is best for those who want to be teachers. tech is much much much better.</p>
<p>Unless you are one of the drunks, you should also be able to find a job even if you go to UGA(It’s not hard to do well there or after it, but it may be harder to stay focused I guess). Why all this animosity toward UGA? It isn’t that bad. And honestly, the US could use some good teachers, especially in science and math. Even at the college level, this is true to some extent. Perhaps Tech could use some of those folks from the UGA math education program to teach undergrads. there. My friend tells me some interesting experiences he’s had as a student there and I was actually negatively surprised given that he’s in his major courses now. Once you get past intros, the quality should be going up. Tech is awesome, but it isn’t perfect (no school is, but still), even when compared to UGA. Science and math courses are naturally tough already. Having sketch profs/teaching quality in many cases does not help the situation. </p>
<p>And if GT doesn’t have a math education program, my understanding is that it could use one (and so could we).<br>
As for connection of one dept. to another, that gets really dicey. That’s like saying Emory’s biology and neuroscience program is really good because we have a med. school. They are indeed really good, but most of the profs. are normal researchers and actually hate catering the courses to pre-meds. They tend to teach however and whatever they like, which often more academia-oriented than med./professional school oriented. Basically the undergrad. science departments and the med. school are but so related. The reason the majors are good is because the teachers are good, the classes are of reasonable size, and are reasonably rigorous.
Likewise, one cannot claim that the biology program at Tech is excellent b/c BME is excellent. What if significantly more resources are diverted to BME over biology? </p>
<p>Our chem. dept. is solid(though it was much stronger before the recession) w/o a strong math and physics dept. Psyche was very strong and quite neuroscience/behavioral biology oriented before the undergrad. neuroscience dept. even came along. The two now overlap, but I can’t say for sure that the quality of one reinforces the other. In actuality, I’d imagine psyche to be stronger than NBB primarily because of the size and the teaching. It is possible that it may even be slightly tougher. One will experience more tough classes going through psyche than going NBB.</p>
<p>I’m guessing that everything at UGA is 2nd tier according you folks? My goodness.</p>
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<p>If the Biology and Neuroscience departments frequently publish with the Medical School researchers and there are joint research groups, then it is a valid comparison. If the programs rarely cooperate then it is a poor comparison. Math, OR, and CS at Tech all work together, jointly publish, have professors with joint appointments, and have joint research organizations. So it’s a valid comparison.</p>
<p>As far as an education program, next year Tech is supposed to be adding a minor that leads to teaching certification in Georgia. So a major in Math + a minor in teaching leads to certification as a math teacher.</p>
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<p>It’s not a bad school - it’s on par with South Carolina, Alabama, Ole Miss, and Tennessee. But it’s not an elite school or even one of the better schools in the country. And it’s not known for it’s academics. Leave the state of Georgia and UGA has a very poor reputation (it is considered a party school). </p>
<p>As far as being second tier, that is how UGA designs it’s programs - it has a mission to be a large, above average school. This is not like Tech. The only programs that really are first tier are the programs with only a handful of competition. For example, UGA has a good Veterinary Medicine Program - #12 in the country. However there are only 28 Veterinary Medicine programs in the countries.</p>
<p>For example, consider how the president of UGA pitched their proposed engineering program to the Board of Regents. He said that UGA would not compete with GT, could not compete with GT, and did not want to compete with GT. UGA’s mission is to compete with the lower tier engineering schools in the region: Alabama, South Carolina, Clemson, and Auburn to produce a large number of low-cost engineers for rural communities in Georgia.</p>
<p>its not that uga is that bad. uga is considered good in ga because other than tech and emory, there is no good schools in ga. but the thing is, degree from uga doesn’t weight much in states outside of ga because of its reputation. so unless you plan to stay in ga after graduating, finding a job in other states will be harder (little connection, 2nd tier, party rep, ect). tech is just more respected throughout the country because of its rep. even tech’s bus/management department is very good and does have some connection. MacKenzie tend to hire a bunch of people from tech every year. I hate to say it but tech people graduates tend to have higher beginning salaries and higher job securities. the point is, math and engineering in tech is better than uga. plus, with engineering degree you can also go to med school so degrees from tech is very flexible.</p>
<p>USNews 10:</p>
<h1>30 GT</h1>
<h1>51 UGA</h1>
<p>NRC 95:</p>
<h1>41 GT</h1>
<h1>56 UGA</h1>
<p>Both are for graduate math.</p>
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<p>I think you mean McKinsey (if you’ve never heard of them, read this: [Excite</a> -](<a href=“http://www1.excite.com/home/careers/company_profile/0,15623,71,00.html]Excite”>http://www1.excite.com/home/careers/company_profile/0,15623,71,00.html))</p>
<p>To give you an idea of the level of competition, McK almost exclusively interviews MD, PhD, JD, and MBA from Harvard, Wharton, UVA, and MIT and has a 1% hiring rate from 100,000 annual applicants. There are very, very few people from “state schools” there other than UVA (law). Undergraduates start in the six figures and are virtually guaranteed admission to the top MBA programs as long as they do well on the GMAT (and since McK has an intelligence test called the PST that they administer, they screen for people who will do well on the GMAT). </p>
<p>After 2-3 years, all students must leave for a graduate degree, then are offered a position following their graduate degree. After graduate school, employees are rehired in the $150,000-$200,000 range and can work up to the partner level (the $500,000 to $1,000,000+ salary range) in just 8 years. </p>
<p>The fact that McK goes to GT is, quite frankly, amazing. But I have seen them hire GT graduates in recent years. To be competitive for an interview, you need a 3.75+ GPA with good work experience and leadership experience on campus. But that’s the same criteria for a Wharton undergrad. They only take the best of the best in the country, and the fact that they come to GT says a lot.</p>
<p>Tech does have a “pre-teaching” program that seems to be growing in all areas, not just math. There are several graduate MAT programs offered through GS and Kennesaw fully funded. And from what I keep seeing from the emails from that dept. is there are numerous places you can go after Tech with a 4 yr. degree to get alternatively certified to teach. Also, several districts close to Atlanta recruit directly from here knowing the quality of the school and not worrying so much about whether you are well prepared in education. Though there are several classes now that you can take at Tech.
[Undergraduate</a> Courses](<a href=“http://www.cetl.gatech.edu/courses/ugradcourses.htm]Undergraduate”>http://www.cetl.gatech.edu/courses/ugradcourses.htm)
Here’s the link to the pre-teaching…
[Georgia</a> Institute of Technology :: Pre-Teaching](<a href=“http://www.undergradstudies.gatech.edu/preteaching/index.php?page=Main]Georgia”>http://www.undergradstudies.gatech.edu/preteaching/index.php?page=Main)</p>
<p>I have a friend whose parent graduated from tech and works at Mckinsey. I have another friend whose sister graduated from tech 3 years ago with full scholarship to Stanford med school (she majored in engineering and was super smart). from what I hear, Mckinsey like the people they get from tech.</p>
<p>Engineering is high paying period though. Most people who go to a decent school for engineering will make money. As for your Stanford Med. anecdote. Tech or not, you need to be smart to get in. My friend who goes to Harvard med. school got into it, Yale, and Stanford because he was brilliant, not because he went to Emory(Emory students rarely get into Stanford med., though Yale and Harvard are kind of common). A driven person at UGA could do the same. However, one may claim that many come into UGA not as academically driven as a Tech or Emory students. That’s a different story though. That’s moreso the institution having the resources/potential, and a large portion of the student body half-stepping into them. The only way UGA could improve this aspect is by putting their foot down and increasing the rigor so that the students have to step up rather they want to or not (it’s either step up or suffer). </p>
<p>Those rankings are a huge difference, but UGA is not performing as badly as y’all make it seem. I would have expected 100 the way you folks talk about it.</p>
<p>The honors program math classes are supposed to be pretty good and rigorous at UGA.</p>
<p>Yeah, but that’s honors. I don’t think that one should have to be in honors for profs. to teach at a high level and expect a lot from students. If it isn’t like that outside of honors, then that should call for concern. I don’t know anything about math there. I’ve only compared science courses and am not willing to assume the same case for the math courses (b/c I know here, the science courses are generally tough, but before calc. 3, most find math easy, and even then it’s perhaps a tad easier than Tech’s depending on who they have teaching, whereas natural science courses are on par or harder). Just, if you go there for math, hope it’s not like the science courses if you want rigor comparable to Tech(okay, maybe that’s pushing it. Just hope for reasonable rigor that will benefit you).</p>
<p>My 2 cents…
Having a DD that was offered the presidential scholarship at GT and the Foundation Fellowship at UGA, the UGA program wins hands down. She is planning on studying Economics, the Ivan Allen college has a lot of ground to make up to beat the UGA programs.</p>
<p>If she was planning on studying Engineering or applied sciences then absolutely Tech would be the way to go and the new undergrad building is going to be amazing. For the liberal art kids Tech is not always the best place for them.</p>
<p>Have a look at the number of Rhode/ Truman scholars etc coming out of UGA, you may be pleasantly surprised.</p>