<p>I meant it figuratively. And even Zinn has to name drop at times in order to delineate eras. I mean, I hate to stomp on the little guy, but there's a reason why Oppenheimer is a famous scientist and I'm not.</p>
<p>in this country (USA) , first you gotta make the money first, then when u got the money, u get the power, then when u get the power, finally u get the women. thats the secret to sucess.</p>
<p>Hmm, that's funny. I've had a girlfriend for years and I have no money.</p>
<p>You just dig your own grave with every passing day, goku.</p>
<p>i'm talking about lots of women. heres the equation: money+power=women</p>
<p>Here's my equation- irresponsible people like goku+ lots of women= lots of STDs.</p>
<p>college education which does not convey the ability to get a career in engineering, finance, business, etc. is a failure no matter what grades are achieved.</p>
<p>Well, it's good to know that you added etc. in order to basically mean that any career after college is a success!</p>
<p>whats all the bickering for?? </p>
<p>if the kid's only objective in life is material-gain, then let him be. You can't force someone to love wisdom, nor should you. As the saying goes "ignorance is bliss". </p>
<p>As for major's, the fact of the matter is none of the undergrad majors really matter. If you have the drive and work-ethic to become a great business person, wealthy person, whatever, then if you get a degree in philosophy or if you get a degree in business, it doesn't matter.</p>
<p>The rich men are innovators, inventers, and sharks. You don't learn those things in ANY undergrad major. </p>
<p>Let go of this nonsense.</p>
<p>Awww, but if we were all as magnanimous as you, what fun would it be? :p</p>
<p>I agree, however.</p>
<p>also.... why is math and philosophy mutually exclusive?</p>
<p>if you think math is simply 1+2=3 and variations of the such, maybe you should major in elementary education with an emphasis on math.</p>
<p>an actual math major has to deal with the "unknowns" of many unproven theorems.... "unknowns in unproven theorems"!???!?!?! uh ohhhh, sounds like philosophy to me.</p>
<p>=) ...just messing with you kid, don't take it personal.</p>
<p>Kid, eh? I'll take it as a compliment. I love being called a kid despite being a wage earner. It keeps me young.</p>
<p>Again, I agree a million times over. Math at the highest level is practically philosophy.</p>
<p>i wasn't talking to you UCLAri... sorry for the misunderstanding....</p>
<p>when i said "kid" i was referring to xSsJ4s0ng0kUx100x.</p>
<p>And no one should take offense to me using the word "kid", i call everyone kid (people my same age and younger) and i put no connotation to the word. If you do take offense, my apologies.</p>
<p>Oh, I never take it as an insult. I think that anyone in the 20-something category who does is pretentious, anyway. :)</p>
<p>Well, maybe you're right. You don't need "wisdom" to be materially succesfull. And while you're at it, you can toss out art, music, literature, theatre, pure science (not applicable to technology), religion, generosity, true friendship, etc. Personally I'd rather have those, and skip the private jet.
And as far women, wealth is only one (although perfectly effective) option. Hemmingway and Picasso both went through stacks of women long before they were making ends meet. And if all you want is the kind of relationship you can get by having money, buy yourself a good whore. It'll be much cheaper than maintaining a trophy wife.<br>
Hmm..that was a little harsh. But come on, pure materialism is such an ugly way to live life.</p>
<p>Oh, so I looked at what Cal philosophy grads do after they finish their degrees. Turns out, they do a lot of interesting, sometimes unrelated stuff. Check it out:</p>
<p><a href="http://career.berkeley.edu/Major/Philo.stm%5B/url%5D">http://career.berkeley.edu/Major/Philo.stm</a></p>
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college education which does not convey the ability to get a career in engineering, finance, business, etc. is a failure no matter what grades are achieved.
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So whatever happened to the original purpose of third level education? The pursuit of knowledge? Or learning for its own sake?</p>
<p>I have to disagree with Zerox's view. I feel it is close minded towards legitimacy of philosophy.</p>
<p>Philosophy is usually the attempt to reason on subjects that have not been satisfactually reasoned on before. By satisfactually I mean a reasoning that everyone agrees on. Philosophy is where new sciences come from. Such as physics.</p>
<p>Philosophers also have to use valid reasoning in order to have any credibility. Advanced reasoning = mathematics.</p>
<p>As a math major, I consider philosophy as applying reasoning to new subjects.</p>
<p>As an aside, what's considered a necropost around here? 3 days? 4?</p>
<p>psh a post is never dead around here :p</p>
<p>"Math at the highest level is practically philosophy."</p>
<p>Do you have any proof of this? Math is very logical and REAL. NOTHING LIKE philosophy. I know because I'm taking a very high level math course (intro. to calculus) and its very logical and also VERY hard.</p>