<p>What about Pitt’s Honors College? I don’t know about their math offerings, but their philosophy dept is supposed to be top notch. And I believe that they do have large merit scholarships for OOS students. Whether they are open to internationals, I cannot say.</p>
<p>OOS ? What does that stand for ?</p>
<p>OOS = out of state, in reference to domestic US students. In the US, state run universities charge higher tuition and give less financial aid to out of state students compared to residents of the same state (whose parents paid taxes to the state government).</p>
<p>International students pay the higher tuition and generally get no (or very little) financial aid.</p>
<p>COA = cost of attendance.</p>
<p>OP = original poster (you).</p>
<p>Look into Brigham Young University, very cheap for international students. But I have to warn you the school is run by the LDS church and you are required to follow some rules while you are attending the university.</p>
<p>No religious system for me, unfortunately.</p>
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<p>Why? Unless you want to study in the Ecoles Preparatoires, you could study mathematics at a number of well known French Universities such as Paris 11 in Orsay which is one the best in Europe in the field. As far as simultaneously studying philosophy, you could certainly pursue non-degree options at the same time at a number of different places including the Sorbonne. </p>
<p>As others have indicated, even if you were to get some small scholarship from a private university, which is very unlikely, or attend a public university in the US, you would have to plan on at least $25,000 per year, probably more because of travel. </p>
<p>The only other option I could see is getting an athletic scholarship but you would have to be really good at a sport and have played at a competitive level. I didn’t see that as viable option from your bio.</p>
<p>Again, get working on McGill. It is your best chance and possibly your only chance. With your grades, you probably have a greater than 50/50 chance of admission especially if you get good results on the bac. Also, Canada is always eager to attract smart immigrants. Getting work visas for international students in the US is virtually impossible. Canada could be your future bridge to the US.</p>
<p>“Why? Unless you want to study in the Ecoles Preparatoires, you could study mathematics at a number of well known French Universities such as Paris 11 in Orsay which is one the best in Europe in the field.”
BUT, I’ll have to study Physics too. You cannot study Mathematics and only Philosophy and get a double degree, in France. If I really was interested by the French programs, I would have opted for that.
Precision : take a look at that :
<a href=“http://www.u-psud.fr/fr/les_formations/les_formations_par_diplome/licences/sciences_technologies_sante.html[/url]”>http://www.u-psud.fr/fr/les_formations/les_formations_par_diplome/licences/sciences_technologies_sante.html</a>
I bet you were talking about this : MPI (Math</p>
<p>There are just a few universities that have exceptional programs in both math and philosophy, and most of them have been named here already–Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, MIT (yes, MIT has an excellent philosophy department), UC Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan, Columbia, NYU, maybe Chicago. Rutgers has a top 5 philosophy program, and roughly top 20-25 in math. Pitt has, arguably, a top 5 philosophy program but is not as strong in math. Schools like Brown, Cornell, Penn, Texas, Wisconsin, and Duke would be quite strong (at least top 20-25, if not higher) in both fields.</p>
<p>The OP’s problem is the same problem faced by many international students–very few U.S. colleges and universities give need-based financial aid to international students, and those that do tend to be the most selective, i.e., the most difficult to get into. Under the circumstances I think McGill is an excellent alternative, a great university in a great city, and much cheaper than most U.S. universities The University of Toronto might be another once to consider. Another option is to aim for a less-expensive U.S. university that, although it might not be in the very top ranks in either field, would nonetheless provide a sound undergraduate education. The University of Minnesota-Twin Cities, at about $28,000/year total cost-of-attendance (COA) for out-of-state (OOS) students, is a good bet. Another one to consider is Stony Brook University on Long Island, part of the SUNY (State University of New York) system, which comes in at about $33,000 total COA. I don’t think you can expect any financial aid from either of these schools. If you can’t afford that, then the search is going to be difficult.</p>
<p>And is it impossible to get any other kind of financial aid ? Because it is more than obvious that my chances of getting in Harvard and cie tend to 0… And as I said, I am not necessarily looking for exceptional programs…</p>
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<p>I don’t know if you are aware that all virtually US universities have distribution requirements outside of your intended major. At MIT for instance, as a math major you would have to study physics, chemistry and biology. You would need to take a full 8 semesters of humanities classes (some of which but not all could be in philosophy). </p>
<p>As a general rule, undergraduate education in the US will be more general than in Europe. So you would not be able to study just one or two subjects and get a degree in the US. </p>
<p>Again, don’t get any false hopes. If you need financial aid, your choices are extremely limited in the US. Unless you are the next Einstein or play soccer like Zidane, you might as well forget it. I spent last year looking for my nephew who had top grades in France and McGill was pretty much it.</p>
<p>“At MIT for instance, as a math major you would have to study physics, chemistry and biology. You would need to take a full 8 semesters of humanities classes (some of which but not all could be in philosophy).”
Can you tell me where you read that ? I have never seen this. When I read what was on their website, if I major in Math, I have a lot of required courses + some other extra courses, but all of them are only related to Mathematics.
Link : <a href=“http://www-math.mit.edu/academics/undergrad/major/[/url]”>http://www-math.mit.edu/academics/undergrad/major/</a>
Chemistry, Biology and Physics are mentioned nowhere.
Philo : <a href=“http://www.mit.edu/~philos/program1.html[/url]”>http://www.mit.edu/~philos/program1.html</a>
All of these are in Philosophy.
The European system has absolutely nothing to do with the US system. And I can’t take the risk to get very low marks in Physics and other subjects. I don’t need Physics and experimental sciences anyway, since I am opting for Pure Mathematics, and not Applied Mathematics.</p>
<p>MIT has the General Institute Requirements which are required of all students.
[MIT</a> Course Catalog: Undergraduate General Institute Requirements](<a href=“Welcome! < MIT”>Welcome! < MIT)
Among others:
2 semesters physics
1 semester chemistry
1 semester biology
2 science electives
8 semesters Humanities and social sciences </p>
<p>This is very typical of nearly all US universities which have similar distribution requirements.</p>
<p>Okay, then.</p>
<p>But I don’t find that anywhere else, except when it comes to the MIT.
[General</a> Institute Requirement - Recherche Google](<a href=“General Institute Requirement - Recherche Google”>General Institute Requirement - Recherche Google)
And I seriously don’t think that I will be admitted there anyway.</p>
<p>Other schools call it distribution requirements. The rationale is that undergraduates should receive a broad education whatever their major.</p>
<p>Okay. Thank you for your information. :3</p>
<p>If you are fortunate enough to be admitted to several of these top universities and have to choose which one to attend, there is only one that has the top Mathematics department, the top Philosophy department and also the top financial aid to foreign students…</p>
<p>I’ll start searching for other schools in parallel. I have already mentioned that I don’t necessarily want to get into these universities, and I am not necessarily looking for the top Philosophy and Mathematics departments…</p>