<p>Celebrian25, both of my parents met the goal of the self-made man, and they both are immigrants. It's not a myth - it's a reality. Many times when you live in poverty, you learn to never repeat mistakes and you're carefull with your life.</p>
<p>I'm not saying you or anyone else isn't careful or the sort, but I'm saying poverty can change a person. And if the desire to succeed is there, success will come. Take the new Secretary of Defense, Mr. Gonzalez...born to lowly parents and rising to the top or Johns Hopkins Chief Surgeon, who came up from a city youth. Or Jimmy Carter, President and Nobel Prize winner, who was born to poor parents who grew peanuts. Or perhaps take Brazil's president who was blind in one eye, and came from a lowly farm family and rose to the top of the largest country in South America. Or perhaps Abe Lincoln who overcame great personal tragedies and has established himself as one of the greatest Presidents of our nation.</p>
<p>Nothing is impossible. And the self-made man is NOT a myth. Empircal evidence proves so. Can you deny those cases?</p>
<p>I can deny without evidence. The bill of rights gives me this right. I am simply saying that a lot of those people had connections most of us don't. Maybe not until later, but the average hard working person never becomes a political figurehead.</p>
<p>I don't even know where to begin. I was trying to prove a point, and I did with evidence. People in the real world won't listen to you if you say "oh, the bill of rights gives me some right." I'd like to see the look on your manager's face if you use that response. You don't even allow for a debate to even take place. How can I respond to someone's opinion when I have given you facts?</p>
<p>There's simply no way of rebutting your response.</p>
<p>My examples never referred to people become rich as a result of becoming politicians. Abe Lincoln had no connections. Jimmy Carter had none - he was a peanut farmer. The point is no about political connections -- are you saying that the JHU surgeon became a doctor because he had connections? If that was the case, he probably isn't a qualified surgeon and probably made serious mistakes when he operated on people, resulting in his job termination. But that's a fallacy. He made ground-breaking improvements in surgery. My parents worked and studied for over 14 hours per day, including weekends, for over 7 years.</p>
<p>Sorry, celebrian, I respect you, but I don't respect your attitude of not properly responding to my argument. Those 3 links are just a few of the many stories of self-made men, who worked hard - those who DID NOT have connections.</p>
<p>Try and respond without saying nonsense. Please.</p>
<p>I can say nonsense if I wish. I hate some arguements, so I chose not to give evidence because there's not much one can say to that. So you are arguing internally with the idea that I believe something different from you. All I did was deny your point. You took it to this level. I believe what I believe and I do not have to give reasons for my thinking</p>
<p>hehe we'll see where my ambitions take me. I would rather just buy CC and manage it into my own making. I want to know everything about college, I am not informed enough :p</p>
<p>I still don't understand the idea behind PAYING to take a test. It's like walking into ap euro and giving my teacher $5 for allowing me this oppurtunity to test my knowledge</p>
<p>20 minutes until showtime. This is going to suck, as I get off work exactly at 11p, and it takes me 25 minutes to get home, so I won't be able to check numbers until 11:25p. Plus there is about 600 numbers to check, so it could take a while.</p>