Men Saying “No Thanks” to College

From the Denver Post:

http://www.denverpost.com/2017/06/04/men-women-college-proportion/

I get the part about trade schools and I think that actually a good thing.

As for hostility toward men? Women and minorities have long functioned in schools/ workplaces that are hostile to them. No sympathy from me.

@FallGirl So you are saying that now that women are the majority on many campuses it is okay for them to be hostile to men?

The young men I know in college haven’t experienced any hostility. My guess is because they treat all respectfully and, hence, are treated respectfully in turn. Stuff that most seem to learn early in life. If not, you know what they say about karma…

I’m not saying it’s ok to be hostile to anyone. Where did I say that. I’m saying that young men have long taken their privlledged status for granted. The ironic thing is that with fewer men interested in college they will have a boost in admissions and colleges will be seeking them out. Like doschicos I do not see that men are being treated with hostility. FWIW I have a S in college.

On the other hand, on this very website we recently had a supposed engineer telling women they don’t belong in the field because “it’s not a girl thing.”

Yeah, we’re testy.

The reasons articulated by Adam Stark in the article make total sense to me – lack of interest, the ability to learn a trade or capitalize on some other talent and the avoidance of debt. But the idea that men are enrolling less than women because of some alleged hostile environment is not plausible to me. Women were not welcome on college campuses for hundreds of years – did that stop us?

And the sexual assault assertion seemed reversed to me – that creates a hostile environment for women.

Now I will say that in general – on high school and college campuses – people are less interested in hearing the point of view of a straight white male. Other groups are taking the stage and the audience wants to hear from them. My own S has experienced this in high school. But did that in any way discourage him from going to college? No, not at all.

Hostile to men? Oh give me a break. What a load.

I just asked my 23 year old son if he ever saw hostility towards white men on his college campus, and he said yes, when they said or did something stupid, which they do a lot.

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Well I don’t think that is singular to white men. Men and women of all races are prone to doing stupid things on college campuses.

^ Women and (especially) men of that age are prone to doing stupid things, period.

The word “snowflake” comes to mind, but I detest that term.

So I’ll just say that I don’t believe it has become test or hostile - certainly not more than it is for women. And that women persevered through testy hostile college times and so can men, if they want to.

My 22-year-old son didn’t see the point of college, since he “just” wanted to work in international relief. Fortunately, we have a family friend who works overseas for a volunteer organization, and he was able to tell my son that he would need a college degree in order to do what he wants to. That is the only reason he is going! I love telling people he’s studying English at the American University of Beirut!

From my experience (a female working at a university with a daughter in college), I see no group more demonized on campuses right now than white males, except perhaps conservatives. This is just my observation, I’m not saying this is true everywhere.

@HarvestMoon1 – of course you’re right. And my son didn’t say that white men do and say stupid things more than others. But he also didn’t see them in any way as victims of hostility.

I’d imagine, him being a white male, he knows what he’s talking about.

So if being told “statistically, 1/2/3 men in your frat are rapists” is “hostile”, what word are we going to describe being raped by the bros? :expressionless:

Huh?

Hostility toward males is a reason they are not going to college? Right. Me thinks someone had a deadline to come up with an article and ended up with this.

Not everyone is meant for college. Stark seems to be one of them. People go or don’t go for different reasons. I have a couple of close friend who didn’t go and are very successful and happy in their careers, but they are hardworking, creative, and figured out how to make a good living work for themselves. And I may be in the minority, but I did not go to college just to get a better job or to make more money. I knew that going would probably give me a better shot at both, but those weren’t my primary motivations.

The second reason given isn’t very interesting to me. But I agree with the first. Seems to me at some point, we need to re-think the college is for everyone approach. Economics may well force that discussion sooner rather than later.

Wish we could adopt the quality of technical school options found in Germany and Denmark.