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Well, that’s right, double = two. :D</p>
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We have great skiing a couple hours away in Tahoe. You choose if you want the snow. downhill skiing/snowboarding > ice fishing…</p>
<p>BTW, I like Michigan. I’m just having a good time with this.</p>
<p>It’s pretty much pointless to compare the merits of UCB and UMich. Both are world-class universities that offer vast amount of opportunities to their students. Sure UCB might have some things things Umich doesn’t and vice versa, but at the end of the day the tangible differences are negligible.</p>
<p>Sorry I meant three…anyways, I’m not bashing Berkeley by any means, it’s a great school. I’m only saying that Michigan is just as good overall.</p>
<p>UCB, I cannot quite put my finger on it. I have never been able to do so. When I was choosing between the two and visited both campuses, I felt something right away. There was a clear difference between the two campuses that was clear, yet hard to describe. Maybe it is school spirit, perhaps it is the relationship between Michigan and Ann Arbor or just the campus culture that has developped over the years, I found Michigan to be a more “complete” campus environment. Like I said, academically, Cal does have the edge, but I think Michigan is more well rounded.</p>
<p>Probably true. I’ll agree Michigan has more school spirit. Also, Berkeley does have some town and gown issues.</p>
<p>What you probably felt though had more to do with walking uphill. ;)</p>
<p>UCBChemGrad, I normally appreciate your opinion because you offer a lot to many discussions, but if you’re gonna be a ****** to the people on this forum and be completely ignorant and biased, I’ll treat you the same way…
Last year. This was last year… And you’re right, it did have a direct impact on the experience. There were more freshmen dorms opened, more freshmen in general to meet, but didn’t really make a difference in class sizes. Maybe you should stick to something you’re familiar with.
You’re right, we do. But we also have the resources to (mostly) manage this, though last year’s enrollment stretched us to the limit, but thankfully this year they’re fixing it.
In terms of pure academics, yeah, obviously it is. But in terms of intangibles, Berkeley’s got nothing on Michigan.
Michigan’s campus is spread out into North Campus and Central Campus. Oh my god, two campuses that are connected by a 5 to 10 minute bus ride. What the hell are we going to do?!!?
Major metropolitan area? Do you even know how far away Berkeley is from San Fran? The BART takes like 40 minutes to get from Berkeley to SF, and this isn’t factoring in the time it takes to get to and from the stations. Berkeley is like a 45 minute drive from SF without traffic, and most freshmen/sophomores don’t bring their cars with them anyway. Ann Arbor offers a lot, Detroit has the sports, and although it isn’t SF (I think SF is one of the top 5 cities to visit in the nation after NYC, Chicago, Boston and LA), it’s still pretty cool. Definitely not in the same league, but still has stuff to do.
And I’ve been in two math classes here at Michigan. The lecture for one of them had 60 students with 15 students in discussion, and my current math class has 18 students.
Berkeley also has fewer resources devoted to its underclassmen. After talking with my friends who go to Berkeley, they’ve said their lectures are 200+. The difference between 200+ and 300 really isn’t that great. Once you get past a certain threshold, it doesn’t make a difference. The transferring students also tend to take up places in the classes and make them hard to get, which is what you’ll find at any large public university. I don’t see how Berkeley would be any different than Michigan in this sense.
Wow, that Berkeley education seriously let you down, eh? Reading comprehension not your thing? Let me help you out…
All freshmen have two roommates. Which means two other people living with ‘em. Which means one person + 2 roommates = 3 people.
Oh you’re having a good time ■■■■■■■■ people who are actually trying to help out and offer something to the discussion?</p>
<p>**See what happens when you act like a dick on forums when people are being friendly and trying to help out? Not only do you offer nothing to the discussion, but you actually take away from it. **</p>
<p>^ okay… don’t think I was being a dick. Just offering some counterpoints to all the Michigan rah rah. I don’t think I called anyone names in my posts either…unlike your rant. RELAX. I said I liked Michigan.</p>
<p>UCB is a good guy. He loves his school just as much as many who post here for Michigan.</p>
<p>i was in the same position as you are. admitted to both michigan (early action) and then berkeley in march. i visited michigan in the winter and absolutely loved it, even went to a hockey game. the school spirit was great. but, once i got my letter from berkeley, i knew that was where i was going to go to school. i’m from california, but the out of state tuition prices were not an issue. after having visited both schools, michigan’s campus is much bigger and spread out, which i didn’t like. there is an isolated North campus, which is quite far from the center of social life. it was also below 0 degrees while i was in michigan, and that was quite uncomfortable weather. berkeley’s campus however is much more confined and not as spread out. the weather in northern california is obviously great year round, which is hard to turn down. berkeley may not have the big house or the football reputation that michigan has, but there is definitely a feeling of school spirit on campus. being a huge sports fan, this was very important to me, and berkeley has a solid football and basketball team. </p>
<p>berkeley probably has the edge academically and there are countless opportunities in the bay area, rather than in michigan. which ever school you pick though, you will have a great time. good luck</p>
<p>“but, once i got my letter from berkeley, i knew that was where i was going to go to school. i’m from california, but the out of state tuition prices were not an issue.”</p>
<p>I am from Michigan and would NEVER pay OOS tuition to attend Berkeley either, even if money weren’t an issue. To each his/her own I suppose. Btw, obviously you didn’t love Michigan in the winter that much, you mentioned the weather a couple times after that remark. ;-)</p>
<p>I was at michigan in the summer for summer school a few years ago and it was great, but the winter was brutal. so i know what it’s like when it’s not totally freezing. i know us californians are weather snobs, but there was no way i was going to take the brutal winters over the cali weather. some may not care about weather, and that’s totally fine. it was just a big factor for me. as for the money, if it’s not an issue, then either one is a fine choice depending on your specific field of study.</p>