<p>^^^ ditto 860 and 861</p>
<p>motheroftwo yes, I can understand why this particular situation is particularly jawdropping- I find it spectacularly jawdropping myself. But, I can still believe that ""despite"" what ""she herself"" did in her life, she could still have done well in her job. I don't think she should be burned at the stake.</p>
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<p>About a third of the way through she says " We have a high tolerance for failure here..... "Some of you people think you may have gotten in here by mistake." </p>
<p>Points to herself, makes a face and says "Yeah, well who hasn't."</p>
<p>I don't think she should be burned at the stake, but I think most or all of the good she did in her job is negated by the very poor example she sets for young people who are under tremendous pressure to "look good" on their college applications.</p>
<p>MB said:"I don't think it's unreasonable that MIT students and MIT employees support Marilee as a person, while acknowledging that her actions were wrong, and that her resignation was entirely justified.</p>
<p>Love the sinner, hate the sin?"</p>
<p>I agree with Mollie and the reality is that most people in this siuation would act the same way. You do not all of a sudden not like a person or what they have accomplished because of something that happened so long a go. You can hate what they did, lose some respect for them, and maybe say "How could you have been so stupid?", but if that individual has treated you well you do not throw them under the bus as far as your personal feelings go. It easy to act like and unemotional robot when one is not close to the situation.</p>
<p>m of 2 yes, I agree, very poor example. But in the end, the kids have seen what happened to her: lost her job and is publicly humiliated.</p>
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<p>I believe you'll find this is the case for most that joined the group. I agree with Mollie and oldolddad.</p>
<p>Of course I am not surprised by the accusations of lack of integrity flying around. Please, by all means, continue the witch hunt. Off with their heads, shall we?</p>
<p>Agree with all your points, siserune. The Facebook group is ignoring the "victims," like the 60+ applicants Jones beat out for the job. And MIT itself. Whether this is a majopr or minor scandal in the academic world, it still gives MIT a black eye.</p>
<p>Right in my little town we had a scandal that was more shocking because of the support the criminals received than the crime itself. A PTA treasurer let her husband handle the checkbook & he embezzled about $30grand. Even when the fact that he had been fired from a previous job for embezzlement, and had a decades long gambling problem was revealed, people defended this woman. "It was him, not her. How could she have known?" Others who were more sketical (like me) wondered why she put herself in this position -- bringing a checkbook into the home & giving it to her known embezzler/gambler husband was like handing alcohol to an alcoholic. He was a CPA who was fairly clever about the crime. She had spent many years running bake sales & volunteering for the PTA, so the PTA president opted not to insist on jail time when dealing with the prosecutor. He paid the $$ back & did community service. Believe it or not, some people in town hire the guy as a math tutor. So I'm sure than Ms. Jones will land on her feet because of her army of sycophants willing to overlook that pesky integrity problem.</p>
<p>Oh really? Keep the ad hominem coming please.</p>
<p>She lost her job and was publicly humiliated, yes, but 26 years later.</p>
<p>I am not sure that her resignation sends kids the messaage that lying and cheating will lead to public humiliation. Some may be enthralled with how long she was able to keep the lies under cover, and believe in that invincibility.</p>
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<p>What should they do? Drive him out of town and never let him work again?</p>
<p>Collegeguy, if you can't see the serious need for integrity in admissions (and all areas of life,) and insist on calling the posts pointing that out "ad hominem," then I'm glad you don't work for me.</p>
<p>Oh ho! That does make sense andi. Now brace yourself for the inevitable attack on your integrity!</p>
<p>StickerShock: Suggesting that the people still supporting her are only doing so because we personally lack integrity is such an attack.</p>
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<p>um uh well maybe. Personally I would think that having ones crimes broadcast on tv, front pages of newspapers etc etc and being disgraced in front of family, friends and colleagues might be just a wee bit of a deterent. I think they might ask if the 26 years was just worth all that.</p>
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<p>lmao... XD</p>
<p>allmusic: There have been enough scandals in the past years to already have made some kids feel that integrity is not important and such. Don't somehow make it seem like she is unique or that her crime greater than others. Also while it is nice for some to believe that it was her fualt they did not get into MIT.. well it is nice to have somebody or something to blame. </p>
<p>She was arrogant or stupid or naive and lost her job. This will blow over quickly and life will go on(maybe not so for her individually). Take a look at some recent , much bigger, tragedies,and see how long the news cycle lasts. MIT will survive, make some changes, lick their wounds, and go on being a great school. And ,no matter what they, do kids and their parents will find another reason to complain about the unfairness of the admssions process there or anywhere else they do not get admitted.</p>
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Monetarily the answer is yes. One could do a math problem on this. Apparently she walks away w/o having any indictments, opportunity to write and sell her "Tell All Book" + freedom to work. Clearly it paid off handsomely.</p>
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<p>again, I don't think that embezzling equates to being a bad influence on a child while teaching him math problems.</p>
<p>I believe in forgiveness and I believe in rehabilitation. Personally I believe that that's a better lesson for a child.</p>
<p>My kid wouldn't even join the NHS because he felt other kids were exaggerating their volunteer hours.</p>