MIT admissions dean resigns over resume fraud. Ouch!

<p>soozievt - I am a database engineer and I write decision support systems so a I know how a binary variable works in a decision making process. Simply put it means that all things else being equal you disfavor one outcome over another based solely on the two possible values of the variable. It is a very black and white thing.</p>

<p>Part of my job is to determine how people make their decisions so I can write systems that will present to them all the variables upon which they make those decisions. Frequently as Dr Gregory House says on his eponymously show, "Patients lie" or at least have criteria they forget to mention or forget to mention in which circumstances the criteria become meaningful. The reasons aren't usually nefarious.</p>

<p>If I do my job really well we can get rid of the decision maker and replace him/her with it where it is an algorithm and data. Luckily for my companies decision makers I build these systems mostly for use by our customers:-) The point here is that there are no holistic decisions that cannot be reduced to a mathematical formula unless the criteria is randomness (the easiest kind of decision support system to build, it doesn't even need data).</p>

<p>When somebody tells me they cannot tell me how they make their decisions then I know they either haven't thought about it, or are lying and don't want to admit the criteria they are using. If race or residence is a criterion then it is being used to rule some people out.</p>

<p>BTW what is so wrong with telling a lie? There are times when it is positively the right thing to do and others when it is more or less benign. In Marilee case it looks pretty benign.</p>

<p>Higherlead, re your post #1202, if you really have to ask that question, then, none of us can possibly write the post long enough to explain so that you will "get" it. </p>

<p>To give you just one small, off topic example, I just spoke to my auto insurance company. It's renewal time and I want to make sure they're charging me the lowest possible rate that I am entitled to have. I had a parking ticket once, 20 years ago, and I pled "not guilty" and won; I have have no other tickets and never an accident or claim of any sort. I also have a spotless credit rating. What I do NOT have is a college degree. So, when I asked my insurance company to please review my information to make sure I'm being assessed at the lowest possible rate I'm entitled to have, she asked if I have a degree - because that will lower my rate, she explains. I told the truth. I answered "no". I could have lied - could have said "yes" and invented a degree. The insurance company would not have bothered to check. So I am paying a higher rate for auto insurance than persons with inferior driving records and/or inferior credit scores. But to lie to the insurance company would be to commit fraud. I don't commit fraud. It's morally and ethically wrong, and most situations, it's illegal.</p>

<p>Marilee Jones committed fraud as well. She realized financial and career elevation from her lies, which were perpetuated again and again over a matter of years. A "benign" lie of the same sort might be if someone is, say, in a social situation, and pretends to have a degree, just because everyone else standing in the cocktail hour circle has one as well, and one is never going to see those persons again and it's just a matter of maintaining one's social stature for the 10 minutes or so duration of the social exchange. (But I don't do even that - this is sort of the beginnings of the "slippery slope" my friend at DoJ described. Besides, when I look in the mirror? I really, really like the person I see there.) </p>

<p>I didn't read the article in Time, however, if Marilee Jones' work is meritorious and worthy of a honorary degree, well, I want one too, and while I'm at it I can think of 10 or so other persons who should also have one, and none of the rest of us have ever lied about our credentials.</p>

<p>I'm not sure if you have all seen the latest MIT blog entry: </p>

<p><a href="http://www.mitadmissions.org/topics/pulse/mits_mission_who_we_are/moving_forward.shtml%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.mitadmissions.org/topics/pulse/mits_mission_who_we_are/moving_forward.shtml&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>I'm noticing that some of my posts are being removed by moderators. How anyone could be milder than bethie I don't know. I guess they think I'm inflammatory. I don't get it.</p>

<p>I don't mean to be huffy, but the suggestion in Time is nonsensical -- MIT doesn't give honorary degrees.</p>

<p>Ok lateforschool lets say you are a public official charged with upholding the integrity of pur legal system. Would it be permissable to conduct a sting operation against traffic court judges by having a police officer pose as an ordinary traffic violator and attempt to bribe the judge?</p>

<p>What about an intelligence officer operating clandestinely overseas? What about Valerie Plame was it OK for her to lie about her employer to her neighbors? She was in a situation where her neighbors had no legitimate need to know she worked for the CIA and telling them could potentially harm both her and her country. Was it OK to lie then?</p>

<p>How about if the insurance company asked you a question that could have no legitimate bearing on you a as a risk factor? For instance what if the asked what church you went to? Would it be morally wrong to lie then?</p>

<p>Certainly sometimes it is wrong to lie but just as certainly there are times when it is the right thing to do. Other times it falls into a gray area. I don't particularly like Marilee but I don't think what she did is especially heinous either.</p>

<p>Lets go one step forward with marilee and say yes it was wrong for her to lie when she took the job. Ten or fifteen years in to it what good would it have done to correct the lie? She was obviously doing the job extremely well in the eyes of her employer and revealing it then would only have hurt her and MIT. Having already lied to them should she have harmed their reputation by confessing to the nearest reporter? Or should she have resigned and deprived them of a good employee? Or should she have quietly told her bosses and forced them to either fire her or become complicit in the lie?</p>

<p>To my mind there aren't clearly morally compeling reasons to out herself.</p>

<p>BethieVT,
I am wondering if your posts did not show up due to some technical difficulty. I am a moderator and I didn't touch or see your posts. There is a team of many other moderators and when one of us does any moderation, we note it so that all the mods are aware of the action taken. I have not found any notes from any other mods about your posts with regard to moderation. Further, when someone reports a post on CC, all mods are able to view all the reports that come in. None have come into CC today regarding your posts. Your posts to date have always been within our guidelines. Taking all of this into account, I am led to believe that your posts did not show up on the forum due to some other problem but not due to any deletions by moderators. If I hear otherwise, I will let you know but I have seen no evidence of that at this time. I hope you will consider reposting your thoughts.
CollegeMom</p>

<p>Outing herself is one thing--deepening the lie is another.</p>

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Ten or fifteen years in to it what good would it have done to correct the lie? She was obviously doing the job extremely well in the eyes of her employer and revealing it then would only have hurt her and MIT.

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Ten or fifteen years into it, when she was not in such a lofty position, she could have confessed to MIT and I imagine, might even have been able to keep the job she had at the time. Particularly if she did that confessing before she added the second degree. After all she had a degree, just from a less prestigious institution. MIT would certainly have been better off, and in the long run I think MJ would have done fine too.</p>

<p>From the MIT admissions blog:
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Marilee's influence was widely felt. The message of "being" vs. "doing," quality over quantity, and injecting sanity into the way parents and students approach college admissions, came at an important time for our culture, and is one that resonated deeply with many.

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This still strikes me as nonsense. So Marilee made some statements (silly, imo) about "being" vs "doing." Did they ever admit someone based on "being" rather than "doing?" Any Zen practioners etc? How do you even define "being" vs "doing" in such a way that it can be used in admissions? It's like the emperor's new clothes -- lots of nice words and appealing sentiments which are difficult to define and have had zero impact on the stress of elite college admissions.</p>

<p>I have a HS junior. Should I tell him "Hey, sweetie, no one cares about what you accomplish. Go ahead and skip homework in order to meditate or daydream." That's fine, but he can kiss his college dreams good bye, if that's the case.</p>

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<p>The main thing she injected was a lot of hot air and a few empty gestures into the admissions insanity in which MIT has been and still is a major participant.</p>

<p>In regards to any local preference for MIT admits, I just checked the guestbook for 2011 matriculants, sortable by state and high school, and found only 4 Boston Latin students and none for Cambridge Rindge and Latin. That does not sound like a preference to me. Stuyvesant HS in New York had over 12 matriculants, the largest number for a single high school in the country.</p>

<p>Higherlead you are asking questions that are theoretical that I am not even about to address because they are theoretical, and I do not have any direct experience in the scenarios you posit. I will say however that I do often tell "benign" lies about what I do for a living - for example, I was on travel last week, and on night late, stopped at the bar in the restaurant connected to my hotel to order dinner to go. I wanted to take it back to my room, in order to eat while I worked and answered email. The bartender asked "what do you do for a living"...and, I'm asked this a lot. I simply lie, or evade. I'll say I'm a salesperson or something really, really boring that does not invite further discussion. I'm no Valerie Plame but I am not about to get into what I do for a living and I do not want to draw attention to myself. Is that wrong? No, not in my opinion. The bartender has no need to know, he is not harmed by not knowing and he realizes no loss by not knowing and he cannot profit if he does know. And I don't want to offend him by saying "it's none of your business" or "I do not wish to discuss that with you", lest he go back in the kitchen and tell the chef to spit in my food. So that is a very benign lie that harms no one and may even protect me from those who are inappropriately curious. </p>

<p>Re the bartender, was my "deception" easily exposed? Of course it was, I paid for my food with my credit card, and, if he wanted to, he could google me, and then he would know I am no salesperson. But the likelihood he would do so was small, or, by the time he found his way to a computer, I would be long gone, so, no harm done.</p>

<p>Re the insurance company, there is a lot of angst over the use of credit reporting information being used in risk scoring. The insurance lobby will argue that persons who are in debt or behind in their bills are under a greater degree of stress than persons who have plenty of money and pay their bills on time, therefore, persons with less than stellar credit reports cause more accidents as a result of this stress, therefore, they are entitled to charge higher rates in these cases. They can produce any number of very legitimate actuarial studies that support their position. There is an equally legitimate, opposing viewpoint (though a far weaker lobby and therefore unlikely to ever achieve any legislative action) that says that the use of credit reporting for insurance risk scoring unfairly targets minorities, etc. But this doesn't mean the solution is for me to lie. My options are (1) lobby my legislators to change the regs; (2) decide it isn't worth my time to do #1, and instead spend that same amount of time earning more money in order to mitigate the higher insurance premium, and/or go get the college degree so that whatever my insurance company does will not matter - a parallel choice that Marilee also had, for 28 years, and did not execute. </p>

<p>Is what Marilee did "heinous"? Yes, in that the various avenues to earn advanced degrees legitimately appear to have been well within her reach. MIT was right to require her to resign and right to publicize it, and, if they should decide to take legal action or of criminal charges come about (which I think is appropriate considering that her compensation was based on false information, which constitutes fraud), I think MIT would be entirely within their rights. MIT is an outstanding institution and they will have many choices for admission director candidates who have legitimate degrees that have actually been earned, and there is no reason for them to continue to employ or for that matter even tolerate a person who is so chronically dishonest.</p>

<p>No, I see the posts show up and they disappear later--really odd--I'm so incredibly harmless and PC.</p>

<p>"Outing herself is one thing--deepening the lie is another."</p>

<p>Well adding the second degree might have been a little much.</p>

<p>Re Marilee's "success" on the job, it should be considered that a lot of ANY employee's success has a great deal to do with the materials and resources they're working with in the first place. I would imagine that MIT offers its senior staff a LOT of support, enviable resources, and of course on the personnel level the admissions director would be surrounded by outstanding peers, superiors and subordinates. And that's before one even gets into the issue of the high calibre of the the applicant pool. It seems like it would be very hard to "fail" when your office is at MIT. </p>

<p>It's interesting how "successful" a Marilee might be in, say, a third or fourth tier institution. In my little world, I can see HUGE differences in skills sets and core competencies from those who have degrees or credentials from, say, community colleges and the like, degrees from colleges in other countries, and degrees and other sorts of credentials from schools here along the lines of University of Chicago, etc. I wonder what Warren Buffet is thinking...</p>

<p>BethieVT, I don't believe your posts are being deleted by the Moderator staff at CC. We share our actions with one another and we also all see all the reports that come in regarding violations of the Terms of Service. You know you did not violate a rule. I have seen nothing reported about you, nor any reports from other mods of actions taken regarding your posts. Therefore, I believe it is a tech problem. I will ask about it on your behalf and maybe the tech person can help. You can also use the report function to report the problem you are having. Meanwhile, I can see post #1210 of yours today on this thread. And I see seven total posts of yours today on CC. </p>

<p>I have asked for assistance to solve your problem with posting.</p>

<p>It is a shame that Marilee Jones is facing such fallout and scandal. While I feel that her actions were wrong, I don't think her "embellishments" should negate the relevance and impact of her work and advice on college admissions. Perhaps she emphasized honesty because, deep down, she knew that she had been dishonest and had possibly obtained her job in an ignoble way.
I think that Marilee's mistakes do not promote lying on college admissions...I think that they prove that lies will eventually come to light, so they really aren't worth telling in the first place.
Also, I think that it is important to keep in mind that, like the rest of us, Marilee is only human. We all do things that we regret...whether those things are misrepresenting ourselves on official documents, cheating on boyfriends or girlfriends, lying to parents, gossiping behind friends' backs or betting on games. There is no time machine for us to jump into and erase our pasts. We apologize for what we did wrong; we accept the consequences and repercussions of our actions; we move forward. That is all that we can do.</p>