<p>Never mind.....</p>
<p>If the resume padding was so insignificant/old, then why didn't she ever fess up to it? That is the disturbing aspect--that she maintained the fraud (however petty) for 28 years, as an admissions dean.</p>
<p>i wonder what affect this will have on the who gets admitted for the class of '08</p>
<p>everybody lies. there is no exception.</p>
<p>This is what prompt everyone to lie it seems.</p>
<p>MIT have proven that it doesn't matter how good a worker you are or how good your performance at the job might be what matter most where did you graduate from or what degrees you have.</p>
<p>Now a person worked for 28 years without any problem in the performance and must have been performing well to get to this position but that doesn't count what count is where did you get a degree.</p>
<p>Since all work places have the same mentallity so people lie to get advantage. If you don't you won't go up.</p>
<p>So that is why the advice to my child is goto a good University so that you won't need to make a decision between telling lie or accepting the reality of not able to make it to the top.</p>
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<p>Where did I mention feminism? As I said before, enough with this mindless belligerence.</p>
<p>I'm not supporting Ms. Jones's lies or cheating. I am simply pointing out that she's not an evil person who needs to be vehemently insulted and condemned. She's simply human. She made a big mistake and has had to pay for it. We all do. Fortunately, our mistakes generally do not make the New York Times. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.</p>
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<p>She was asked to resigned because she lied. There was really no choice.</p>
<p>Abhi08544: I don't think people who say that Marliee Jones means well have low morals. Perhaps, they just understand that people make mistakes. It's easy to say that she could have said at anytime "I don't have three college degrees", but if she had, she would never had made it to dean of admissions. The more embellished a story becomes, the harder it is to retract it. What she did is clearly wrong, but I don't want the rest of her, or her family's, life to ruined because of it. Maybe I'm too optimistic about human nature, but I think people generally deserve a second chance. </p>
<p>In addition, people who've gotten into MIT deserve a spot. Marilee isn't the only person who reads the applications. And even if she did, I don't think a mistake she made 28 years ago hinders her ability to decide whether a student is meant for MIT. Marliee Jones lied and cheated, but her actions aren't a reflection on the MIT communittee. While one may question the administration at MIT, MIT is still the same. It still has the best professors, top ranked engineering programs, noam choamsky and unique students. MIT shouldn't be faulted for her mistake.</p>
<p>THE IRONY!!!! </p>
<p>No wonder she opposed the stress and fixation over college applications. What a nice con indeed.</p>
<p>absolutely ridiculous</p>
<p>people shouldn't shed too many tears over this situation. this will take the all too predicable course:</p>
<p>1) she'll become a pariah within the academic community
2) she'll be banished from academia
3) she'll write a book about her experience
4) she'll make some decent bank
5) she'll hit the lecture circuit discussing "ethics inside the workplace"
6) she'll get an honorary degree from that long-time nemesis, Caltech, who will reveal that she was a pre-planted double agent 28 years ago a la "The Departed" to pull off the single greatest hoax in this bitter rivalry.</p>
<p>Jones deserves to lose her job, but many of her ideas regarding the process of college admissions are worth keeping. Prospective students ARE more than the sum of quantifiable parts. Perhaps the facts as we now know them do enlighten us regarding the reasons in particular for Jones' mission to reform the admissions process. My hope is that admissions committees will continue to look beyond stats to build a diverse community using certain subjective measures based on informed reading of activity sheets, counselor and teacher recommendations and essays rather than simply adding up points of tests and GPAs.</p>
<p>vanilea: People do deserve second chances. But she had nearly 30 years worth of second chances. </p>
<p>Yes, for the most part, admitted students deserve their spots.</p>
<p>And the "he who is without sin" argument is totally weak. If your so adamant in finding such a person, I'll step up. Seriously though, why do people keep repeating this tired line over and over?</p>
<p>^^^ Her losing the job is not punishment. She wouldn't have had the job for the last 28 years if she had been truthful. So she gained a lot by lying, and didn't really lose anything - the job wasn't hers to begin with. The reputation she lost wasn't going to be there if she was truthful. Real punishment would be meted out to her if MIT sues her for fraud and tries recover the monetary gains she made by perptrating the fraud.</p>
<p>As far as her bringing in subjective criteria in admissions, there is nothing new in that. All the top schools boast that they use subjective measures to select the candidates. Who knows what benefits MIT lost by not having an admissions dean with proper qualifications? </p>
<p>Too many people rationalize the actions of fradulent minority. The majority of the population is really quite honest and that is why the cheaters sometimes succeed.</p>
<p>If she did such a good job without a college degree, maybe they should change the requirements for that position :).</p>
<p>I bet she regrets rejecting me now. I did tell her in my essay that I would build a time machine if admitted to MIT. That lady sure need me now. Ha ha.</p>
<p>The problem with subjective admissions criteria are that they open the door to corruption- just read "The Price of Admission" by Daniel Golden. </p>
<p>After this scandal no one can claim that MIT's admissions office operated on an insulated plane of integrity. College admissions officers in the US have a long history of using subjective criteria as a means of forwarding other agendas (bigotry, fundraising, getting someone's neighbor's nephew admitted). </p>
<p>A person busted for extraordinary acts of dishonesty was entrusted with being the guardian of the integrity of the admissions process at one of the nation's most prominent schools. So much for the theory that the inherent integrity of admissions processes and officers obviates the need for more objective standards. This mess underscores the need to give less flexibility of decision to people who are far from incorruptible.</p>
<p>How easy it is to gloat over the misfortune of others! It is indeed sad that what she did has come back to haunt her. In her own words, she didn't have the courage to step up long ago. Her career was outstanding and she even won the highest MIT award for the excellence she displayed at her job. We can only feel sorry for her, and hope we can learn a thing or two from this.</p>
<p>I agree, holycow.</p>
<p>How can anyone conceivably defend this woman? The "she made one mistake a long time ago" arguement is not only fallacious but shortsighted. This is MIT we're talking about. Close to 80% of the kids who apply would be successful at MIT, yet for the last 28 years, Ms. Jones has had the last word on who gets in. And lately it seems that you either have to be a genius or a super well-rounded person who has good grades in math and science. Thus, the guys and girls in between who don't have stellar ECs, DONT SPEND ALL THEIR TIME STUDYING but still destroy their math and science courses because they really like them and do well in them and deserve to go to MIT but couldn't because they couldn't fit Ms. Jones' bill.
So please she is certainly not the devil incarnate but do not defend her actions. What she did was wrong on a massive level and she should be ostracized and hung out to dry for it.</p>
<p>I do not defend her actions in anyway. Yes, she fabricated degrees, and she has suffered enough shame from being exposed. And I don't think it's less serious if this happened at somewhere else other than MIT.
Have you ever lied or cheated before? Have you experienced the support of friends in times of trouble? That's what Ms. Jones needs right now. This is just one case where things keep building up and soon explode. You never know who's who.</p>