<p>I doubt many of us have told a lie this big...saying "you look lovely" and "my dog ate my homework" doesn't seem to be on the same level Jrock.</p>
<p>Still, this is just another aspect of America's fascination with gossip and scandal that we're here discussing Ms. Jones and her transgressions with so much fascination and ardor when instead, an aspiring intellectual group like ourselves would probably be more interested in what new ways MIT admissions are going to head now.</p>
<p>That is a very mature viewpoint Kamikazewave and I am ashamed of constantly bringing up Ms. Jones. You have to forgive some people on this board who are still venting some of their frustration for not being accepted to MIT this year and wondering what if? (I applied and was rejected)</p>
<p>SHE IS ON FACEBOOOKKKKK. LETS ATTACKKKKKKKKKKKKK...though i doubt she reads the messages.</p>
<p>Uh, before you tar and feather her facebook profile, there's a good chance that is not even her. There have been many fake entries made on behalf of faculty members.</p>
<p>Inexcusable. Indefensible. Unjustifiable. Disgusting. </p>
<p>Our family's personal experiences with Ms. Jones (Class of 2010):</p>
<p>At a summer information session she said that a student with SATs in the 600s and grades of Bs could still be accepted because her new way of handling admissions provided for higher subjectivity -- Tell us how this isn't a bold-face lie meant to influence MIT's yield by increasing apps from students who honestly don't have a chance? Double-speak. </p>
<p>We were hurt by her infamous EA "confetti-tube" FIASCO. In her blog in defense of herself, she said that she didn't get to become Director of Admissions at MIT without suffering a few bruises along the way and that people who couldn't let go of her incompetence would be eaten alive -- Very unprofessional. Double-speak.</p>
<p>At CPW last year, she talked at length in a giddy, flaky, unfocused fashion all about her daughter and how she was making her apply to 11 (eleven!) colleges -- Tell us how that many apps isn't stressful for a student? Tell me how that many apps equates with the themes in her book? Double-speak.</p>
<p>I find it hard to believe no one in the department questioned her incompetence, unprofessionalism and outright lies, but perhaps they were afraid of her bruises???</p>
<p>MIT should have fired her, NOT accept her resignation -- What has happened to integrity and credibility?</p>
<p>And Ben and Matt are perpetrating what looks like an attempted cover-up by going along with the ridiculous wording of "misrepresented" when the truth is she LIED and committed FRAUD. And her work is not "good" because it is based on LIES.</p>
<p>The forensic psychology of her mind will make for a fascinating book or made-for-TV movie.</p>
<p>*Originally posted in CC Parents Forum</p>
<p>Now Adding:</p>
<p>She is the worst kind of PHONY -- she did <em>not</em> practice what she preached, personally (through how she handled her daughter's apps) or professionally (through misdirecting MITs mission).</p>
<p>The lawyers, for both sides, have been all over this, before we ever knew the revelation -- MIT gave her a bit of leverage by giving her those Institute awards, so she'll probably get to keep her pension and not be restricted from making money in this industry as a consultant to parents who don't mind liars, which will continue the acceptance of lying to a new generation of students -- and believe me, those students will get the true scoop, not her long-preached crap that admissions should be easier.</p>
<p>Admissions will only get tougher as the baby-boom children crest -- her theory never had a chance to catch on because it was a bad theory to begin with.</p>
<p>And it shouldn't be perceived as a big deal that MIT Admissions went online -- geesh, it's a technical university and should lead the way. Ben and Matt aren't doing anything exceptionally wonderful; they took their jobs, answering questions, to the Internet's blogoshpere, but they still just answer questions. CC has done more for admissions than MIT's blog.</p>
<p>I suspect MIT was internally (after a strategic meeting involving PR) moved to react with a punishment this severe so as to deflect their obvious oversight. I believe the blame lies first with the school's own faculty and administrators admission department (Human Resources and Personnel) for not checking on her credentials first. Secondly, I have to wonder what kind of adult she is to be able to live with such a bold face lie for so many years. The admission of guilt on her part, I'm sure, must be a relief.</p>
<p>"I'm not supporting Ms. Jones's lies or cheating. I am simply pointing out that she's not an evil person who needs to be vehemently insulted and condemned. She's simply human. She made a big mistake and has had to pay for it. We all do. Fortunately, our mistakes generally do not make the New York Times. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."</p>
<p>Your errors don't make the New York Times because you're not the dean of admissions at one of America's elite universities. She's been in the public eye plenty of times promoting MIT, promoting her ideas and views of the admissions process. When you're in a such a position, you expect to be scrutinized by the public and you can be certain you'll be criticized for your mistakes.</p>
<p>No one's calling her evil - we're all just saying that what she did is wrong, and that we doubt the integrity of someone who lied about her education, & then preached truth/transparency - that's so pretentious and shows that she obviously had no regrets about what she did. She is corrupt, and someone like that shouldn't be in charge of admissions to ANY university.</p>
<p>Maybe there is more than one set of lies here.
It sounds as though she came in at a very low level when she was young, at a level that didn't require much in the way of credentials.
I doubt that she was brought in with a grand mission of increasing female recruits in the way that many schools have brought in highly credentialed, older employees to recruit URMs or economically disadvantaged students. Having a female in the office was probably viewed positively and helped her get the job but I find it hard to believe that MIT expected someone with apparently no work experience on either the admissions or scientific sides (all we know about her prior work experience is that she supposedly had been a torch singer in Albany night clubs) to spearhead an initiative of recruiting females. I think they mainly brought her in to do the typical work that an entry-level admissions person does. I'm thinking that the grand mission of being brought in to help increase female enrollment is a spin that was added later after Ms. Jones had been on the job for a while and actually was heavily involved in more developed efforts to recruit women.</p>
<p>Do the highly qualfied, unjustly rejected students have any recourse?</p>
<p>i believe the precise word for the definition, "taking pleasure in others' misfortunes", exists in german and is called schadenfreud.</p>
<p>IMHO, all those who don't know the meaning of the word misfortune should either consult a good dictionary, or attend few English classes in elementary school.</p>
<p>mis·for·tune [mis-fawr-chuhn]
–noun
1. adverse fortune; bad luck.
2. an instance of this; mischance; mishap.
[Origin: 1400–50; late ME. See mis-1, fortune] </p>
<p>Oh! I pity on Hitler's misfortune! Poor guy!</p>
<p>I see where this is the lead news article this morning on Yahoo!</p>
<p>Here's the direct link:</p>
<p>although you will, of course, get it right now if you log in directly to the main page:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.yahoo.com%5B/url%5D">www.yahoo.com</a></p>
<p>I think that the majority of posters are being overly self-righteous. Of course, she should have lost her job. However, she is human. No one deserves to be treated as a pariah, a joke, or a loser. Mrs. Jones did a superb job as head of admissions for MIT. She should have never lied about her degrees (or lack thereof) in the first place, or kept it a secret for almost three decades. Now that she has been caught, she has lost her job and forced to deal with the shame and embarrassment over her mistake in the media. Her good work at MIT has been devalued. Isn't that punishment enough? Everyone has made mistakes in life, and while lying about having a PHD when you don't even have a bachelors degree is certainly a huge lie, she is human. She desperately wanted to rise the ranks, and perhaps felt compelled to lie. Have some humanity. She isn't a bad person. She lied and is now paying the price.</p>
<p>Also, I find it ironic that she was able to to do such a good job without an undergraduate degree. It shows that no matter how hard you work for 28 years, what matters is where you went to college. Sad.</p>
<p>Life goes on.</p>
<p>That's crazy... She goes, and is in charge of rejecting students and crushing dreams and she probably wasn't even qualified to have her spot.</p>
<p>A few off-the-topic questions for everyone. Your suggestion or advice will be appreciated.
1. My child took all 4 required high school math classes (honors geometry, honors algebra ¾, AP pre-calc, AP calculus BC) with AP calculus BC taken in sophomore year. He is not planning to take more math until college.</p>
<p>Mistake? Will colleges look at this as negative?</p>
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<li> He also took SAT tests in sophomore year. He is not planning to retake them.
SAT I (verbal 800, math 760, writing 700), SAT II MATH 1 (760), SAT II MATH 2 (730), SAT II US HIST (750).
Mistake? Should he retake to improve scores?
He is considering top colleges like Ivies.</li>
</ol>
<p>dogonmoon,
Start a new thread, which you can do by going back to the college admissions board and clicking on the "new thread" button near the top left of the page.</p>
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<p>Which Shame and embarrassment? Media and few ppl are portraying her as a victim and/or matryar.</p>
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I have no Idea how are you deducing that. She wasn't made to resign because she didn't went to college, but because she shamelessly lied continuously for 28 years.</p>
<p>does her daughter go to MIT?</p>
<p>Jones' MIT blog has said that her D, who is her only child, is a freshman at "a West Coast college."</p>