MIT Media lab Media Arts and Sciences

<p>“Another possibility is that you can take a year long break for internship relevant to your group and then apply again.”</p>

<p>Absolutely. While my <em>guess</em> is our son might have gotten accepted straight out of college, despite his age, my husband and I twisted his arm into not jumping straight into graduate school (we sort of lured him into waiting a year by offering more world travel for him, and his having been to so many countries - over 30 at the time he applied I think - also seemed to help him appear more “mature” somehow to the lab administrator, seemed to me) and later the head of the lab told our son one thing that made him a strong applicant was that he had a year of work experience between college and graduate school (he didn’t mention the work experience our son had throughout college, but did the year our son ran his own consulting business). And it seems to me a LOT of people at the Media Lab haven’t come directly out of college.</p>

<p>I’d urge people who don’t get in this year to contact the PI and ask what they can do to improve their odds next time round, too.</p>

<p>Not sure if these questions were already answered, so my apologies if I am duplicating information here:</p>

<p>“when you apply to the media lab, you apply for an MS/PhD degree in media arts and sciences that is research-heavy, but what coursework does this require?”</p>

<p>Actually, you can apply for either a terminal masters or the MS/PhD program. The majority of first year students from year to year from what I can tell actually are in the terminal master’s program rather than the MS/PhD track, though some apply for a terminal master’s and have their advisor talk them into staying on for the Ph.D. (our son has at least one such student in his group).</p>

<p>I believe you can check the program requirements online and my understanding is that the Media Lab is unusual in that actual coursework is determined by you and your PI (though the lab administrator also has to sign off before students can register, and she will step in when she feels a PI is overloading a student as our son’s PI wanted him taking a course the semester he was to write his thesis and students are NOT to take courses that semester and so she went to the PI about this, but he talked her into signing off on the extra course and all went fine…indeed, our son was one of I think only 3 students of the 27 signed up to complete their thesis that spring who actually got it submitted in time to graduate that June). Students can also sign up to be “listeners” (essentially the same as auditing) classes that they don’t need for their degree but are just interested in taking (our son did that a few times before he learned he could take more classes for credit in a given semester than was required for the degree). And MIT also seems lax about letting anyone just sit in on classes without even registering as a listener (our son has attended classes with friends and a girlfriend, for example).</p>

<p>Also, keep in mind that requirements can change while you are in the program. The doctoral requirements changed while our son was in the master’s program and so his requirements are different than when he first started there (but he prefers the changes, so it’s not a big deal to him).</p>

<p>“do i have to take the media lab courses (fairly non-rigorous) or can i focus on courses that traditional engineering grad students take?”</p>

<p>Yes, you can take courses that traditional engineering graduate students take, but you might actually find some of the Media Lab courses fairly rigorous. I’ve heard from grad students that courses by our son’s PI are tougher than graduate classes in general at MIT, and I know our son had to do WAY more physical work (creating actual things, not just doing problem sets) for one of his classes than for any of those taken through the math, CS, or engineering departments. But then our son has also had some Media Lab courses where he had to do rather little for a top grade (he got an A+ from an eminent professor there even when he handed in his final project just a few minutes shy of 24 hours late, something my husband and I felt ridiculous and that our son NEVER would have had happen with professors he had at his undergraduate school). YMMV.</p>

<p>“is the media lab cool with students who only intend to complete a masters degree?”</p>

<p>Absolutely. They are one of few places in the nation to my knowledge to fully fund terminal master’s students, and I am pretty sure (but not positive) that the majority of people who are at the Media Lab are terminal master’s students.</p>

<p>“DS’s undergrad advisor, mentor, and now employer, told me at DS’s graduation, that she wished DS the best in his graduate study pursuit. She (advisor) said that she got her pHd from MIT, but she went to MIT for all of the Usual and Wrong reasons. She said that she hoped that DS chose his grad school for the best reasons. She did not tell me nor did I ask; What are the wrong and correct reasons?”</p>

<p>First, a man who was at the time the head of the CSEE dept. at our son’s alma mater told me in private that he got his Ph.D. from MIT and that our son would be wise NOT to go there as they would just keep him on forever as slave labor rather than let him progress at the pace he should. Our son got the master’s in the program specified 2 years (despite rather few actually doing that, according to the lab administrator; most need at least one extra semester for the thesis somehow, and as I mentioned before, in our son’s Media Lab cohort of 27 people signed up to do their thesis the spring he graduated, he was one of only three to pull it off), but they don’t seem to be caring much about generals (the Media Lab’s version of quals) and have only told him to try to submit the stuff he needs to submit by fall and then has 6 months after that to take his orals/2 24-hour written exams and write another publishable paper on some major project with his PI, and it seems to me that should have been done LAST fall and that he is now <em>holding himself</em> back as he hasn’t bothered to research what should be done till a few weeks ago and even knowing what he needs to do, is slacking on doing the stuff (like contacting people for his generals committee, though he believes he knows who he’ll ask and that they’ll accept, and maybe he’s talked to two of the three, not sure). Anyway, if you truly are being “held back” for slave labor, that would be a cause of concern.</p>

<p>A correct reason would be appreciating your PI <em>and</em> the research you are do work on, but here again, tread carefully as the research could be different than you initially thought (it was for our son, and he had to take quite a long time to come around to getting into what was assigned versus the other stuff he’d <em>rather</em> be doing his thesis on, and I still wonder if he should have ever gone for the Ph.D., but it’s his life and his choices to make here).</p>

<p>Wrong reasons <em>might</em> include:

  • Picking the school only due to a girlfriend/boyfriend being at that school or a nearby school.
  • Picking the school due to it having great name recognition (like Harvard) even though in your field, it’s not got a top reputation.
  • Your parents (grandparents, whoever) really want you to go there because they went there or because they like telling people you go there or such.
  • You don’t know what else to do with your life (this actually fits more law school students than Ph.D. students, and while many make it through a 3-year law school program doing this, I doubt many Ph.D. students make it through to the doctorate if they are just “killing time till they know what they want to do in life”).</p>

<p>Another <em>right</em> reason would be that you like the environment and the people (faculty and students). Our son really enjoys the professors and the students (undergraduate and graduate) at MIT. He’s been active in a number of extracurriculars and was an officer at his dorm his first three years there (he’s about to enter year four and is considering moving to an independent living community with undergraduates in fall as he will finally be 18 and the age of a typical freshman, but he was invited by the residents of that house to come live with them last fall and dated a girl from that house the school year before that, so he’s not knew to undergraduate life there despite being a grad student). He loves it at MIT. That is a good reason to be there. I felt badly for him when he wasn’t loving his research particularly, but he seems to recently be getting more into it again, and I have heard that it is also typical for graduate students to go through a “lull” of sorts around the time of getting the master’s, so was not surprised particularly when our son was feeling a lack of motivation then and am just happy that he is more recently appearing far more excited and putting forth some effort from what I can tell from afar.</p>

<p>I’m sure others can add to both the wrong and correct reasons lists.</p>

<p>“Given media labs unique model of funding and sponsorship from businesses rather than NSF, APRA, DAPRA, NIH makes it difficult for them to get money in worst recession since great depression.”</p>

<p>Actually, the Media Lab (or at least the Center for Bits and Atoms that is still part of the Media Lab) does get funding from DARPA and other such agencies. Our son has taken several business trips related to DARPA projects. And I know the CBA got a bunch of money from the NSF years ago, but am not sure how much they’ve received in more recent years. I think the Media Lab used to be more heavily funded by Hollywood related companies and cell phone companies and such back in the late 1990’s than they are now.</p>

<p>Wow. LazyBum201, you must be very proud of him. It must have been a very interesting childhood. </p>

<p>There are many fine schools with excellent programs that grads should investigate other than just their dream school.</p>

<p>Hi everyone, did anyone selected…plz do post into this forum…</p>

<p>Hey godhelp…any update abt waitlisted candidates??</p>

<p>“Wow. LazyBum201, you must be very proud of him.”</p>

<p>I am proud of things he’s done that I think I helped teach him to do, like when he reaches out to others to help and shows good manners (and it’s not like he’s 100% in such areas, as few if any people are, but when he exhibits caring and effort, I feel some pride). I’ve not really felt proud regarding his academic achievements as those he hasn’t had to work much for (though regarding MIT, he did have to have a confidence well beyond that his parents had for him to apply despite our not being willing to pay the application fee as we didn’t feel his odds of getting in were high enough, and I was proud of him for having learned the lesson I taught him about judging himself by what he believes and not what others might believe, including even his own parents, though he should listen to what input others give before he makes decisions, and he did that then) nor are they do to my parenting (in the above example, it was indeed despite my and my husband’s parenting) so much as his getting an incredibly lucky draw at the gene pool (I don’t see luck as being anything for which to be proud).</p>

<p>“It must have been a very interesting childhood.”</p>

<p>That it was. He had probably the fullest childhood of anyone I’ve ever known about (not a childhood just with typical childhood experiences nor just adult experiences, but a mix of the full spectrum).</p>

<p>“There are many fine schools with excellent programs that grads should investigate other than just their dream school.”</p>

<p>Not sure if you were writing that in response to something I shared or someone else, but I agree, and will add many second tier schools with top ranked programs that grads should investigate (state schools often outrank Ivy colleges when it comes to certain grad programs). We encouraged our son to apply to our state U as while it is just out of the top tier in undergraduate ranking, it has a lot of top ranked graduate programs (including in all his areas of graduate school interest), and we offered to pay for the application fee for him to apply there as we felt he’d be a certain admit there, and he did consider it, but decided it wasn’t where he wanted to go. I think he is one of few people in recent years who applied to only one undergraduate school for college (and that was at age 8, when I would have thought his chances there were close to zero before he met with the admissions director at the university and I heard his interview and immediately felt he would be accepted if he applied, and he got his acceptance letter the week after he applied) and only one graduate school and was lucky enough to get admitted to both. I wouldn’t advise that for anyone, especially if they were at an age where I felt getting into a school for the following year was important (in our son’s case, we didn’t even allow him to start college when he was 8 and could have as he had been admitted and had an admissions director eager for him to start there, and we felt if he had to wait another year to start graduate school, that would be more ideal for us as we’d have another year of his company here at our home).</p>

<p>Has anyone been rejected or accepted yet after being wait-listed?</p>

<p>there has been no reply about the final decision yet. Nor has anyone posted anything on grad cafe. around 10 days ago when i mailed MIT they told me that they will decide later that day or early next week. however that next week is now over, so i guess we will know by Tuesday to Friday(which is last day till which MIT has promised to reply)</p>

<p>Got Email from Aaron its a Reject.
@ronich
I had created a system for common sense collection and representation which was significantly better than Open Mind Common Sense.
you can have a look at it here:
[Open</a> Cyc based Common Sense knowledge Representation System](<a href=“http://csacquire.appspot.com%5DOpen”>http://csacquire.appspot.com)
The website was featured on blog of Open Cyc foundation, which is a non profitarm of a US government funded company formed by Doug Lenat.
I had also significantly improved the Analogy Space algorithm invented by media lab in 2007-08, and made it scalable and accurate.
Before working on common sense i had published one paper in ACS I&ECR on
Machine learning for chem informatics [Prediction</a> of Melting Points of Organic Compounds Using Extreme Learning Machines - Industrial & Engineering Chemistry Research (ACS Publications)](<a href=“http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ie0704647]Prediction”>http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ie0704647),
and one on ML in Reactor design which is currently under review in same journal.
In addition i guess i had good recommendations. i had done research under all three,
one is prof in top US univ, one is director of my institute, and one is professor and had done post doc from Cambridge. though all three were chemical engineers.
i am currently in last year of chemical engineering, from a small but a repute institute in india. [UICT</a> Home](<a href=“http://www.udct.org%5DUICT”>http://www.udct.org)
And last thing my GPA was below three or just three.
I guess this much information is sufficient.
I suggest you to go through the material on different web sites of software agents and common sense computing group.
I am on Open Mind Common Sense Google group, so if you have any “technical question” about using the code of OMCS (NOT ORCA) please post it there.
Best of Luck.</p>

<p>Sorry to hear that godhelp. I’m still waiting for my rejection, maybe they forgot about me.</p>

<p>@godhelp,
Thanks a lot Godhelp. You have given me lot of valuable information. Dont worry, you are quite talented and you will definitely get into another top grad school. I am also from India. But I have completed my B.Tech in electronics 1.5 yrs back & from then working in a software firm.</p>

<p>Anyone up for this year?</p>

<p>dogichow, </p>

<p>I’m waiting for response, I sent my admision form on december 15th 2009. </p>

<p>Exists some new about this year?</p>

<p>Hi all.
I am confuse and I guess you may help. The media lab program is a sub-program of the Master of Science in Electrical Engineering and Computer Science or is independent of it or what. thanks</p>

<p>@RZR110. The Media Lab operates as its own department of MIT, under the School of Architecture & Planning.</p>

<p>Are there any people applying to MIT Media Lab this fall?</p>

<p>Next fall hopefully for me. Fall of 2013 woot!</p>