Most Conservative yet Not Stone Cold Sober

<p>there is a "pub" on campus that is opened to first class when the RC decides it should be. at certain events on campus they have a bar available (senior luau, ring dance, etc... ) but aside from that we're supposed to be a "dry campus"
so they say...
the kids here don't have to party on campus, they hit the city and go for it. i'd almost say they have to consider off campus stuff. truth is, most kids here that's all the look forward to when they get liberty is going and getting hammered. as i said, they attempt to control it, but there's still tons of drinking within the regiment.</p>

<p>Let's face it, drinking at college is a fact of life... "The consequences of excessive and underage drinking affect virtually all college campuses, college communities, and college students, whether they choose to drink or not." Check out these stats:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.collegedrinkingprevention.gov/StatsSummaries/snapshot.aspx%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.collegedrinkingprevention.gov/StatsSummaries/snapshot.aspx&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>We as parents have tried to teach responsibility to our children. Our kids have obviously shown this by receiving an appointment to KP. Let's just hope that the values we've instilled will carry through college life and into their future and should they choose to drink that they will do so responsibly.</p>

<p>I dont know the rules Mom2011. Perhaps a student input is needed for that.
Im sure there is NO drinking on campus</p>

<p>Off campus,during Liberty in Big Town, along Long Island, at regattas etc.
my gut tells me that there is a bit of "blowing off steam" from highly pressurized and intense academy experience. Like landing on a new island after a long sea passage, landing in Manhattan may be celebrated by many of the kids. I surely dont know anything for sure. Just my gut and a couple quick questions to my engineer. Indications from the "front" says there IS some drinking yet under control.</p>

<p>If I survived state college in a much different era of "anything goes",
Im sure most of these KPers will weather the storm of youthful indiscretion.
These are great kids.</p>

<p>Go KP Sailing
Beat Navy</p>

<p>My son told me that the rugby team used to be the most sober group of cadets at KP.. Can any of you current cadets confirm if that is still the case? :)</p>

<p>Sorry to bemoan the topic
but this is how Princeton ranks USMMA
(supposedly based off our kids answers)
Sure seems very negative for the bright, vibrant and interesting school that Ive seen, my kid glows about and we are all talking about on this board,</p>

<p>United States Merchant Marine Academy
Office of Admissions Phone: 516-773-5391
Kings Point, NY, 11024-1699 Fax: 516-773-5390
Website: <a href="http://www.usmma.edu%5B/url%5D"&gt;www.usmma.edu&lt;/a>
United States Merchant Marine Academy's
Best 366 College Rankings</p>

<p>Rank List Category
#1 Professors Get Low Marks Academics ( Whys that ?)
#8 Don't Inhale Parties (VERY LITTLE POT SMOKING)
#10 Students Most Nostalgic for Ronald Reagan Politics (Conservative)
#1 Is It Food? Quality of Life (NATIONALLY AGAIN THIS YEAR !!)
#3 Dorms Like Dungeons Quality of Life (My kids is clean and utilitarian)
#3 Least Happy Students Quality of Life (Smile guys, Sea Years coming)
#19 Future Rotarians and Daughters of the American Revolution (Could do worse)</p>

<p>United States Merchant Marine Academy Appears on These Lists</p>

<p>Best Northeastern Colleges
This school is one of the 222 colleges named a Best Northeastern College by The Princeton Review. Our goal is simple: to identify some of the colleges and universities that we feel stand out within each region.</p>

<p>See the full list
Buy the book</p>

<p>America's Best Value College
This school is one of the colleges designated as one of the best overall bargains—based on cost and financial aid—among the most academically outstanding colleges in the nation.</p>

<p>i dunno about the rugby team, during season though, it's plausable seeing as the kind of shape they have to be in and alcohol is not conducive to peak performance on the field. another group of mostly sober guys is the crew team, for the same reason. we can't afford it with the strenuous nature of the sport.</p>

<p>is2day4him, yeah, that's bascially what he said.. They all used to sit around after matches drinking lemonade, eating cookies and singing kumbaya.. "shoot the boot" :)</p>

<p>2day</p>

<p>Did Princeton Review ask you to fill out any questionaire ?</p>

<p>i don't recall ever filling out a survey for PR. we did a quality of life one for the academy, but i'm pretty sure that stayed internal. i have no clue where they get their stats for the Princeton Review. cause i don't recall ever doing one for them here, nor does my roommate. either way, who knows, we should ask them.... hmmm.</p>

<p>Another ranking question. Take a look at the US News lowest acceptance rate rankings. If you look at the USNA or USMA acceptance rates (14% and 15% respectively) they appear to be based on the total number admitted (or appointed?) divided by the total number of applicants (USNA = 1419/12002 – 11.8%; USMA 1305/10838 = 12%). KP shows up with an acceptance rate of 28%. According to VADM Stewart during 1st day of Indoc this year he stated the number of applicants was over 7,000. With 279 showing up on July 1st and using the same calculation as USNA or USMA (admitted/appointed divided by total appliacations) this acceptance rate would be about 4% to 5% and one of the lowest in the nation. US News says the numbers are provided by each school – why would different methods be used between academies?</p>

<p>I've never been able to figure out the numbers that PR comes up with. Then again, I'm Jamzmom.... Anyhow, in the documentation I have in front of me, the numbers for applicants for the year of 2005 is 1,600 with 275 appointments. I feel sure the 275 appointments were about 5-10 more although I don't have that in writing from KP . There were well over 6,000 inquiries for that year some of which never completed applications. </p>

<p>I've seen acceptance rates anywhere from 11% to 28% in different publications over the last years. I guess thats why I just can't put stock into what they report. Son got a hoot at PR last year saying that 4 Plebes participated in the PR questionaire. He might have been pulling my leg.</p>

<p>The issue is the definition of an applicant. USNA and USMA will get 10K to 12K "applicants" which is probably in the case of USNA a person who completes the initial form online and submits a transcript and a set of SAT/ACT scores. If they are deemed scholastically qualified they are assigned a Candidate Information System ID (CIS). This number gets cut down to under 4K that have nominations and then further to a subset that are Triple Q'd w a nomination. I just don't get the math.</p>

<p>I see it a little simpler
Perhaps </p>

<p>USMMA is by even the school administrations words, the "best kept secret" service academy.</p>

<p>Id say 99% of US citizens, 95% of high school seniors and 75% of service academy applicants dont know anything about Kings Point.</p>

<p>USNA and others get a ton of press hype (positive and negative) but USMMA is completely off the radar.</p>

<p>For me and my 3rd classman, I am a VERY happy parent that my kid ended up at KP rather than Annapolis. Where it concerns school size, service obligation, individual recognition. post school opportunity, regimental cohesiveness and comradery and overall impression, Kings Point looks like heaven compared to USNA. In KP a Plebe is a seed, In Annapolis a Plebe is dirt.</p>

<p>I think those top students WHO KNOW about Kings Point apply and have a decent chance of getting to Indoc. The multitudes who have heard of Annapolis turn into hoards of applicants and this flood turns into low acceptance rate. That simple.</p>

<p>sssshhhh !!!
Dont spread the word about KP until my 16 yo son has his chance to apply !</p>

<p>Shhsh...</p>

<p>My 15.5 yo will be applying for KP 2014.</p>

<p>At 270+/- Plebes per year
I see KP as
a pretty EXCLUSIVE
school </p>

<p>ssshhhhhhhhh !</p>

<p>Drinking is probably the number one problem. What used to be a dry campus now has a midshipman bar, with students getting special rewards by visiting the bar. Meanwhile we have a student who graduated last year missing two fingers from drinking while driving. Another student graduated as the first one in his family to graduate from KP because his older KP brother died in a car accident drinking. We have students who had no drinking problem before coming to KP develop a difficulty. I am not talking about the temptations at sea, but the temptations on campus. I believe this should be a dry campus, and the administration should lead by example. </p>

<p>I started the Cookie Cafe, not realizing how successful it would be. It has made me realize that the students are looking for a place to socialize, hang out, and just relax. The school is offering liquor to take care of that need. I am offering homemade cookies and a cold glass of milk, and it's taking care of the same need.</p>

<p>KPMOM--I hope you are still continuing AFTER football is done, because my PC can't go, as he is in practice. </p>

<p>I agree with you. Drinking complicates an already complex environment!! We don't need underage drinking!! </p>

<p>I am glad we are listed conservative, the "secret" academy and all other supposedly negative conotations. </p>

<p>KP rocks, just being KP--All our kids Rock just getting in!! And then to see them excel as they are...make me and all the other parents proud! </p>

<p>Go KP, beat Kean</p>

<p>Go Mariners!</p>

<p>Because the school is smaller than someplace like Annapolis, there is much greater opportunity of getting the position that the student really wants. For instance, if a student wants to be a navy pilot, he can go to Annapolis, and because of such a large number of students, with only a certain number of billets for navy flying, it's very difficult to get it. While at KP there are fewer students wanting the billets, so they, most of the time, get exactly what they wanted. The navy recognizes both schools as excellent.</p>

<p>I know of a KP grad who all his relatives graduated from Annapolis and are in the navy. He deliberately chose to come to KP instead, because he had almost a 100% chance of getting in as a navy pilot. That is what he is doing today.</p>

<p>We watch the seniors having a hard time deciding what to do, because there are too many opportunities. That's so different than many other schools. KP is one of the best kept national secrets.</p>

<p>ssssshhhhhh</p>

<p>mums the word till all our kids have a chance</p>

<p>seriously
as a kid who dreamed of nothing but sailing
who puttered in any boat he could find
who drew and designed potential ships for fun
who attended a top engineering high school</p>

<p>i knew of annapolis
and knew my odds were zero</p>

<p>but KP was NEVER mentioned at all</p>

<p>id give my left ... ear to have a chance to attend
but alas this opportunity is my kids</p>

<p>If my father inlaw (ex) hadnt graduated KP in '53
I would never have known about KP
and to have guided my kid in this direction</p>

<p>Although nominated to all academies
My girl dreamed of Annapolis since 4th grade</p>

<p>I knew her odds from the beginning
not much better than mine were
and was preparing her for failure</p>

<p>Then the letter came from Kings Point !!!!</p>

<p>From the tuition, to the discipline to the future opportunities
how can you beat this institution ??</p>

<p>My kids happy, maturing quickly, enjoying thermodynamics
and sailing 80" racing boats on the weekends !</p>

<p>Princeton Review doesnt get it
KP Rocks</p>

<p>KPMOM, don't take away the 1/c pub. I spent three years waiting to be allowed to use it and taking that away wouldn't be right. I think we can all agree that underage drinking can be a problem, But is mostly the kids who lack control that get into trouble. I am not saying this makes it right, but there are far more important problems to deal with then some kids being kids. Like decreased budgets, bad food, and even the faculty.</p>