MS in Finance before an MBA in Finance?

A one year MS in Finance degree can assist non business majors develop skills to break into the Finance industry. Lots of business schools seem to be offering these types of mini Masters programs targeting liberal arts and non business majors. Unlike the MBA, these are usually pre-experience degrees.

My son just got accepted to the UT McCombs School of Business, Master of Science in Finance Program.

If you have any questions about this program or MSFs in general, feel free to ask questions

@perazziman : What were your son’s standardized test scores (GMAT or GRE) that enabled him to get into this masters program or what is the range of scores for accepted students?

Any post undergraduate full time work experience ?

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2013-17: BS TAMU (non-target)
GPA 3.4
Major Economics
Minor Math

Capstone Research: Math of Financial Options / Derivatives (A)

(A) grades also in Engineering Calculus Linear Algebra, Differential EQ, Probabily Theory, Econometrics Statistics etc

AP Calculus AB/ BC 5/5

Lowerclassmen GPA 3.2
Upperclassmen GPA 3.6-3.7

Excellent recommendations from Math and Econ professors

GRE 330 (equivalent to GMAT 720)

CFA Level 2 Candidate (June 2018)

No relevant work experience. Seeking MSF to change career paths from seeking a PhD in Economics to Banking

Here is a list of 30 best MSF Programs. They are ranked from most to least affordable. MIT is least affordable, but ranks #2 in quality. UT is 15th most affordable and ranks #1.

I would take these rankings with a pinch of salt, but they are a good place to start looking

https://www.master-of-finance.org/best/affordable-degree-programs/

The UT Program’s average GMAT is 690. Average GPA is 3.44. Job Placement is 100%. Av. Salary is about $70k

TFE has come out with the 2019 ranking of Masters of Finance Programs. Here are the top 65:

1 Massachusetts Institute of Technology

127 Votes

2 Princeton University

64 Votes

3 Washington University in St. Louis

70 Votes

4 Vanderbilt University

75 Votes

5 University of Rochester

56 Votes

6 University of Southern California

53 Votes

7 University of Notre Dame

47 Votes

8 University of Texas

44 Votes

9 Arizona State University

46 Votes

10 Brandeis International Business School

87 Votes

11 University of Texas at Dallas

82 Votes

12 University of Florida

28 Votes

13 University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

46 Votes

14 Boston College

30 Votes

15 Georgia State University

36 Votes

16 Villanova University

47 Votes

17 Ohio State University

24 Votes

18 University of Utah

27 Votes

19 Michigan State University

15 Votes

20 Texas A&M University

30 Votes

21 Rochester Institute of Technology

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22 University of California, San Diego

25 Votes

23 Auburn University

13 Votes

24 Illinois Institute of Technology

27 Votes

25 Louisiana State University

12 Votes

26 Temple University

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27 Santa Clara University

10 Votes

28 Syracuse University

12 Votes

29 University of Connecticut

15 Votes

30 University of Alabama

8 Votes

31 University of Arizona

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32 Purdue University

15 Votes

33 Johns Hopkins University

45 Votes

34 Tulane University

11 Votes

35 Indiana University

10 Votes

36 University of Delaware

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37 University of Maryland

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38 Florida State University

12 Votes

39 Claremont McKenna College

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40 University of Colorado Denver

15 Votes

41 West Virginia University

11 Votes

42 Northeastern University

8 Votes

43 Pepperdine University

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44 Hofstra University

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45 University of Tampa

28 Votes

46 University of Tulsa

6 Votes

47 Drexel University

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48 Lewis University

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49 Baruch College

3 Votes

50 Thunderbird School of Global Management

5 Votes

51 University of Massachusetts Boston

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52 University of Illinois at Chicago

2 Votes

53 Portland State University

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54 DePaul University

3 Votes

55 Seattle University

3 Votes

56 George Washington University

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57 University of Baltimore

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58 University of San Francisco

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59 Virginia Commonwealth University

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60 Fordham University

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61 University at Buffalo - SUNY

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62 University of Denver

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63 University of California, Riverside

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64 Southern Methodist University

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65 Bentley University

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Here is their Methodology:

30% Mean GMAT Scores
25% Mean Starting Salary and Bonus
15% Mean Undergraduate GPA
15% Acceptance Rate
10% Full Time Graduates Employed at Graduation
5% Full Time Graduates Employed 3 Months after Graduation

Please be aware that some of these schools effectively have Financial Engineering Programs not really MSF programs, such as Princeton. Also some of these schools have combined their Finance program stats with MS in Accounting, Analytics, Quant, MBA etc. For example Rochester and Notre Dame MSF programs may not be as competitive as they appear in this ranking.

The Notre Dame MSF for example, is in Chicago where they also hold EMBA classes. It is basically a part time program. The age of an average student is 30 years.

So this isn’t the typical pre-experience full time MSF Program that helps new college grads get into high finance. The school doesn’t share average GPA or GMAT scores for this specific program. It generally lumps them together with all its Masters programs.

https://mendoza.nd.edu/visit-notre-dame/visit-chicago/

@perazziman: Thank you for sharing this information !

Some of the information from the cite in post #4 is incorrect. For example, second most affordable Texas A&M, listed at about $5,500 for in-state master’s degree is incorrect. I believe that the correct figure is over $30,000, maybe over $35,000 for residents.

You are welcome @Publisher

The UT Austin tuition numbers are also incorrect ? They charge between $40-40k for the 10 month program

I’m not sure how TFE ranked Arizona State University in the top 10 (as #9)

According to the university:

The Av. Salary is between $50-70k. So about $60k

Admit 66%

GMAT 613

GPA 3.46

https://wpcarey.asu.edu/masters-programs/finance/class-profile

https://wpcarey.asu.edu/sites/default/files/fastfacts_finance_2012-13.pdf

$60K was my son’s starting base salary in investment banking when he graduated (BSc Economics with finance concentration) back in 2004. Granted that it was NYC salary but still …

These days base for IB Analysts appears to be around $85k to $90k. So, better MSF programs in the south such as Vanderbilt, Wash U St. Louis and UTA have Average salaries in the $70k range. In the north they are usually 10% to 20% higher

Is your son still in IB or did he shift to VC HF PE etc.? Also was he recruited in UG? Or did he move into IB after a Masters?

So is the cost of living.

My son was in IB for 3 years before switching to hedge fund where he’s been ever since. He was recruited out of UG for IB. He has not needed a graduate degree but he is a chartered CFA through self-study.
He’s been very lucky in that he didn’t need to look for work; he was recruited by both his employers. Finance can be a very rewarding and highly compensated career.
Good luck to your son.

@cbreeze thank you for sharing

@TomSrOfBoston

You are quite right, cost of living is lower in the south, so starting salaries in the south are lower too.

I would be wary of MS in Finance Programs in the northeast or west coast or Chicago area with average salaries below $70k claiming to regularly place pre-experience graduates into high finance / IB Analyst positions. This is unlikely since programs in the south that place in high Finance have average salaries of $70k + such as Vanderbilt, U Virgina and UTA etc