<p>As i've been reading for a long time and as I have been instructed by my theatre teachers, conservatory programs have much less of an emphasis on high school grades compared to universities such as Umich, NYU, and CM. My question is, what about schools like CCM that are conservatory's but are also apart of the university of ohio. Now I know that you must be first accepted into the public university, but, since they see that you are applying for the conservatory, do they approach your application as would BOCO or other conservatories and accept you academically (nearly 100% of the time) so they dont pass on good talent. I hope this makes sense but this is a concern of mine. I know that i would not be academically accepted to university of cinci alone, but am hoping that since im am strictly interested in the conservatory, it wont be an issue. Thanks again for all your help. I always get stressed and have a million questions and at least someone always has some insight which is much appreciated!</p>
<p>Brown,
Each school has different academic criteria. You are correct about those you mentioned as having a higher academic standard than most conservatories.</p>
<p>I would just recommend to you to keep up your grades, study hard and do test prep for standardized tests. This will only benefit you as you apply to schools and make you a more attractive candidate. Why not have every advantage when admission is so competitive? Right? And be sure your audition material is of the highest caliber.</p>
<p>This probably doesn't answer your question about specific schools but you can find that easily enough by looking at admission stats on <a href="http://www.collegeboard%5B/url%5D">www.collegeboard</a>, <a href="http://www.princetonreview%5B/url%5D">www.princetonreview</a> or talking to a school advisor.</p>
<p>Don't get stressed. There is a perfect school out there for you. Good luck to you!</p>
<p>xxx,Mary Anna</p>
<p>Thanks Mary Anna. And yes, it was princetonreview.com that originally notified me that I am not academically a candidate for University of Cinci. Therefore, I was curious to whether or not those same standards applied to those applying for the conservatory. Thanks for the advice on the grades and such. So obvious that one needs to do well in school, but of course, its nice to have people reminding you to help you stay on track when at this time of the year, the only thing on alot of students minds is college, and for alot of us, auditions so i appreciate that. </p>
<p>If anyone has any specifics regarding my original question, it would be much appreciated as always!</p>
<p>brown,
Actually, I have been reminded that I did have a student get accepted to Cincinnati academically and also for the conservaory who has less that stellar SAT scores but a pretty good GPA. So, maybe you don't have anything to worry about with regards to Cincinnati after all.</p>
<p>Go for it! You never know!</p>
<p>xx,Mary Anna</p>
<p>The academics at all the BFA programs in terms of admissions varies widely. As you already noted, for schools like NYU or UMich, even getting in academically is quite selective and in the case of NYU, academics is weighed 50% in the decision. At UMich, you have to pass their academic admissions criteria to be invited to audition. At some schools, academics is not weighted as much AND at some schools, the "bar" to get in academically is not THAT high but varies from school to school. Some only want you to be over a minimum bar. Others will care that you are a good student and the bar is not so "minimal". While I do know that some kids who can't get in academically at some BFA programs have been successful in getting into BOCO as you say, even BOCO has minimal requirements such as a 2.7 GPA (granted not high but some students can't make that). Academically, yes, that school is easier than some others. You asked about CCM that is part of a larger university, which by the way is NOT University of Ohio but is University of Cincinatti. If you research the school, some of these "stats" can be gotten. CCM, WITHIN U of Cinci has its own criteria. I believe a 3.0 is recommended as a minimum and your approx. class rank should be in the top third of your class. They also have high school course requirements for admissions to CCM itself that you must meet (ie., 3 years math, 2 years foreign language, etc). The avg. SAT for the university is 1150. So while the audition is going to count LOTS at CCM, you still have to be able to be admitted academically even if that bar is not that high, it is not utterly low either. I know someone with very low "stats" who won't be able to apply there, nor has the requisite number of years in each HS subject. Even for this student, there ARE schools to which he can apply but it knocks out MANY excellent BFA programs. </p>
<p>Thus, follow Mary Anna's advice. Keep up at school. Do you very best to achieve. More opportunities will be available to you if you do. There ARE opportunities for poor students but there are LESS of them. You have to only apply to certain BFA programs if you have very low stats. </p>
<p>The example at CCM that Mary Anna gave does not mean low "stats" can get in. That student may not have had "stellar SAT scores" (I do not know what they were) but did have a pretty good GPA which may even mean a decent class rank and may have taken a solid and challenging courseload. NO ONE single factor can be what you go by. You can't say well Johnny got in with a 1000 SAT so I can get in with an 1100 because they look at MANY parts of your profile. There are kids who get 1600 SATs who are rejected from the Ivy League ALL the time. Some other kid gets in with 1450 SATs. You can't go by just that. The CCM example given above, may have had a GPA and rank that overrode less than stellar SATs (and we do not know what you mean by less than stellar either.....one person may think that 1250 is not too good and another person may think THAT is stellar).</p>
<p>Susan</p>
<p>This is one of those areas that I would suggest definitely checking out well in advance. Too late for this year's crop, but for the younger students, make sure you're on track with the required HS course requirements for schools you are considering.</p>
<p>If yours stats, or HS courses, won't get you admitted, no matter how great your audition is, how much wiser to find that out in advance, cross the school off your list, and focus on real possibilities. </p>
<p>The expense of applying, traveling to auditions, etc. is just too great to be using on a school that is not going to consider you. To say nothing of the emotional investment!</p>
<p>MusThCC...you are SOOOOOOOO right! I have to tell you that I get students giving me their lists and lately I have had some give me NYU/Tisch, for example, and they are NO where academically qualified and had they not consulted me, they'd be applying right now for NOTHING. It is too late senior year to change your GPA, your courseload/selection, etc. So, kids need to plan ahead, work hard on academics, so as to not narrow the options they'll have later. For those who did not do that for whatever reason, then they need to make REALISTIC college lists. The audition part is hard to assess chances as much but the academic requirements and ranges are one thing that can be assessed vis a vis each school. If a school says minimum GPA of 3.0 and you don't have it, forget applying. If your SAT scores are well below the mid range of accepted applicants, it is a long shot. If the school wants three years of foreign language and you don't have that, you might not get in. If the school academically has 99% of its student ranked in the top half of their HS graduating class and you did not, it is not likely you'll be the exception. Just some of the examples. There is a school for everyone but like you say, one must focus on the real possibilities, throw in some reaches but the reaches still need to be within range of a possibility, not a total impossibility. If you have a 1000 SAT for example, it really is not in range of a possibility at NYU. I have kids coming to me with SATs like that and GPAs of 2.6, two years of math, wanting NYU! Had I not been consulted, they'd have gone to the expense of applying and auditioning for naught. </p>
<p>Susan</p>
<p>usually as long as you have at least a 3.0 it's fine for BFA programs...
as far as what I've heard,
UMich and NYU put more emphasis on grades than the others..
I know that CMU doesn't look at grades unless they're choosing between 2 similar performers (I was there this summer,so that's reliable)...I would guess that's the case for a good few schools too....</p>
<p>I don't know if this will actually help, but it might ease a few people's minds, and I know when applying to college that is always a good thing!
I thought that since some were saying that NYU was one of the harder to get into academically than most MT schools I would share. I applied to NYU's libral arts and science school last year and was accepted with a 3.8 (unweighted) and a 27, and that was 100% academics, not 50/50 like MT. I don't know if that will give anyone a sort of perspective on what it takes (for some people maybe it isn't as hard as they had thought), but hopefully that will help!</p>
<p>CKP, I truly appreciate your sharing your GPA score and SAT as you have GOOD intentions. However, I want to caution students who read this post that there is WAY more to admissions to a college like NYU (not talking the BFA now, just the college itself) than a GPA and an ACT score. If it were just a numbers thing, it would be very easy to see who gets in, who does not. But it is not just numbers. This is a school (not talking Tisch now) that has an acceptance rate of 29% which is considered pretty selective, though not MOST selective. There will be more kids who have the right "stats" to be admitted than WILL be admitted. If you just took all who had applied who had a GPA of 3.8 and an ACT score of 27 like you had, there would be too many for the class. They weigh many other things. That is one reason why on the other CC forums, when there are zillions of posts by kids of "what are my chances" and they list their SAT and GPA as if someone could tell JUST from that. That works for some state schools or schools that only go by numbers or have fairly minimum requirements/bars to be met, but not for more selective schools. There are recommendations, essays, the strength of the courseload (honors, AP, etc), class rank, SAT2 scores, awards/achievements, extracurricular activities, your background, etc. So other kids cannot look at your two pieces of data...your ACT score and your GPA... and measure themselves against it and think, hmmm...I have better ones than that kid, I'll get in or oh no, mine are lower, I won't get in. Neither would be true. Kids with a 29 ACT score get rejected. Kids with a GPA of 3.3 get admitted. They have to look at the RANGE of SAT scores admitted, the avg. GPA, the percentage of admitted kids from certain class ranks, the rate of admissions, and even THEN, that does not count all the other factors I mentioned. Selective schools also are building a "class" and want all types. They don't want all athletic kids or all science types or all artsy kids. You may be qualified to get in but they have more than enough from your suburban HS, who also play clarinet, or who also are newspaper editors. </p>
<p>Besides all that, your ACT score of a 27 equates to a 1220 SAT which is lower than avg for NYU But still within the SAT range for NYU. Some who get in ARE going to be lower than the AVG for that school. Also a 3.8 unweighted GPA is an excellent GPA. I don't even know your courseload but for all we know, you took a challenging courseload. Your "stats", just these two, are still in range for NYU so it is not as if someone would say, wow, that kid got in! how so?? You were in range on those two things and likely had other things going for you that mitigated the ACT being in their bottom 25% of those admitted. Some people are going to get admitted to a school who fell in the bottom quarter of their SAT range of admitted students. Just LESS kids are admitted with those scores at a lower rate of admission than someone with a 1440. </p>
<p>Some info. for NYU....
Percent offered admission: 29.7%
Avg. HS GPA 3.63
SAT Score range (mid 50%) 1310-1440
Ranked in top 10% of HS Class: 71.9%</p>
<p>Susan</p>
<p>PS...my earlier posts about kids who come to me wanting NYU and I'm feeling "no way" have MUCH lower stats than yours. So, when you say, maybe it is not as hard to get in as people think...depends who we are talking about. For these kids, it is way harder than they think. For those with your "stats", it is within reason, you're right!</p>
<p>brown101,
I work at the University of Cincinnati (UC) but not in CCM so if you want specific information to admissions to UC, you can send me a pm and I will try and help you out. I do work at the building next door, so I can always walk over and ask. I can give you general information about how UC (the entire university) establishes admissions.
UC has 3 admissions entry routes.
The first is a class rank alone (top 5% in class from an accredited university) your good.
The second is a top 10% and a college specific established ACT or SAT combined score.
The third is a college established minimum score for combines ACT or SAT, and top 75% in you class.</p>
<p>Colleges have the ability to raise their standards above the minimums for class rank and scores, but they cannot go below without an appeal.
UC for many students is what is considered an access university- first generation students, serving urban graduates- so the university admissions standards tend to be liberal. However indivisual colleges can be extremely competitive and may set very high standards. I don't know how CCMs admissins requirements are compared to UC as a whole, but as I say if you want CCM specifics, I can probably help you find them out.</p>
<p>(Just to be clear UC is a comprehensive university that is divided into different colleges, which in some palces may be called schools, departments, programs, ...CCM is a college with in UC, similar to the medical college)</p>
<p>I believe that each school within UC has its own criteria. I have a chart that I was looking at when I was posting earlier.....things like what HS course requirements or class rank and such varied from school to school within the universty. CCM has its own academic criteria, in other words, from what I can tell. When I mentioned class rank in the top third, it was from CCM criteria, not all of UC, as one example.</p>