Musicians and Parents - Introduce yourself!

<p>Coconino, welcome. If you are new to this, take time to read the threads under "Featured Discussions" at the top. Since BassDad did not toot his own horn, I'll do it for him: be sure to read his thread. You will not get a better view of the process anywhere.</p>

<p>Instrument purchase and acquisition is a stumbling block and a financial burden for many students. A couple of ways to address it would be to look at for sources for a high quality used instrument... community band members, professional musicians in your area (contact your Am Fed of Musicians local, they may well have a listing service of members' "for sale" instruments). Community music schools, colleges with music programs have bulletin boards and many student/faculty instruments are often posted there. Ask your current teacher... he may have ideas, contacts.</p>

<p>Some colleges will consider an instrument upgrade as a necessary expense, some won't. A lot will depend upon the institution, program, and their endowment, and departmental allocation. A lot will depend on your family's financial situation when you prepare the financial documents when you apply. Ask the question when you begin to visit schools. It's not the norm, but it can and does happen.</p>

<p>Artfulmom and Cocino, welcome! </p>

<p>I am addressing you both, because I see some similarities in your posts - namely the somewhat late decision to pursue music. There are some wonderful threads on this board. New posters are always encouraged to start by reading Bassdad's missive. <a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/258796-so-you-want-music-major-one-family-s-experience.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/258796-so-you-want-music-major-one-family-s-experience.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>[Edit - cross-posted with violadad. See, I told you!]</p>

<p>First, I want to say that there is more than one path to success, so please don't feel that there is only one right way. The flip side of that is that there are multiple paths to failure, and there are no guarantees one way or another!</p>

<p>The number of music majors who "make it" as performers is really pretty small in comparison to the number who start out that direction. Common denominators are things like passion, dedication, practice, talent. Other things that seem to be fairly common (though not universal) are an early start, strong support network, great teachers, and a no-holds-barred approach to getting what they need to succeed. A single-mindedness, if you will. (Yes, you need an instrument, too.)</p>

<p>If you are thinking of a career as a full-time performer, I want you to understand that you are facing an uphill battle. A wise sage once said, if you can imagine yourself doing anything at all besides music, do that. If you are first chair at your all-state, that might possibly put you in the top 100 or so people in the country. But perhaps there is only 1 or 2 openings at Juilliard and the handful of similar conservatories this year. And when those dozen graduate, they will all be competing for a handful of orchestra openings - along with a hundred others who graduated earlier. Sobering.</p>

<p>There are many people who major in music who go on to do other things. Music, in my opinion, is as good as many other liberal arts degrees - where the student spends four years studying something he/she loves, then goes on to grad school for something more practical. I have a D who is probably following this path. (I have an S who is aiming higher.) I have no desire to discourage anyone from studying music who wants to. It's only 4 years of your life. There's grad school, or you can change your major, or double...</p>

<p>In many high schools, music is considered an EC, or an easy A in the schedule. Every years there are a handful of kids who think a music major might be an easier degree than other things out there. Or there are parents who think because their kid got an A in band, and Bs and Cs in everything else, that music is the obvious path. College music is not like HS music. Along with the in-depth theory, music history, sight-singing, etc, my D is required to practice an hour a day PER CREDIT on her instrument(s). For her, that means 3 hours a day of violin practice, and 1 hour a day of piano. Music courses are hard.</p>

<p>There are many colleges who offer double majors, music minors, or welcome non-majors into their music programs. These are usually not going to be conservatory-level programs. Many schools have music departments, who are eager to keep their teachers employed, and have varying levels of ability. There is something for almost everyone, as long as they are realistic that a degree from one of these schools is probably not going to lead to a big 10 symphony job.</p>

<p>Quite often, late-starting musicians find that an undergrad program with a great teacher will allow them to aim higher for grad school, or transfer during undergrad. A violin student at my D's non-conservatory college transferred to Oberlin this year, for example. My S's roommate last year transferred to Juilliard from Georgia State. I don't know the back stories - whether they didn't get accepted the first time around, or whether they needed a couple years to "catch up."</p>

<p>In otherwords, you probably can't go head to head with talented kids who've been studying for 10 or 15 years - and practicing, until you've been studying a bit longer yourself.</p>

<p>These are generalities - I don't know either of you except what you've posted, and I don't mean to be negative or discouraging. As I said, I've got an S pursuing conservatory-level, and a D at a non-con, so I have some experience with both. Ironically, my D has played her instrument longer. Both my kids are talented, smart, and have excellent ears. Both practice. My S has a level of intensity that D can't approach. He's also had some luck - great teachers, a lot of support and enthusiasm from the outside, lots of strokes. </p>

<p>We still don't know if he'll ever be employed, though. :) No guarantees.</p>

<p>Hi all, I am a relatively new member and have been actively reading through the music major threads and find them incredibly educational. I figured that it was time that I posted on this thread to introduce myself. </p>

<p>I am so glad that I found this site. My S, a Violist, is a junior at an Arts High School in Florida. He started playing piano (age 4-9) swithced to violin (age 8-17) added viola at age 15 and has just dropped violin to concentrate on viola for more time to prep for college auditions. He said that he just does not have time to practice 2 instruments and do all his school work. It has been a challenging year academically. </p>

<p>Although he attends an all arts high school there is not much support or information from his HS music teacher or counselor regarding applying for music, auditions, etc. The music guidance counselor is also in charge of all the "Ivy" applications and I hear she is so overwhelmed that she cannot get all the info out on time. (Actually 2 horror stories of info never sent out). S has a private college advisor who is pretty clueless also when it comes to music programs but she will keep him on track writing essays. So we are on our own.</p>

<p>S also plays in small local Youth Orchestra where he is principal viola, attended all state for violin for 2 years and viola for this past year. He also attends music camp in the summer.</p>

<p>In our area there are not that many quality string teachers to choose from. I feel lucky to have found a teacher that my S adores and she is very strong in teaching theory, technique, etc. and is encouraging him to continue in Music but it is way past time to move on. She was his violin teacher up until a year and a half ago and is still teaching him viola. (She is a violist primarily). We are in the process of looking for another viola teacher but it will require travel of 1-2 hours each way for lessons. Some do not come very well reccommended. Current teacher does not have a lot of music connections in this community.</p>

<p>S has a list of schools, he initially thought he would apply strictly for Music Business but after looking through a lot of the course requirements is now thinking of a Performance major with a business minor or even music ed. </p>

<p>He had good feedback from his first trial lesson at what is his first choice University, so that is favorable for him. He is now thinking of Performance more seriously. When that Professor asked what other schools he was thinking of applying to she commented that he should not have any problems at any of the schools. She also offered to give him lessons this fall but it is a 2+ hour drive. He will try to do that once or twice a month in the fall.</p>

<p>We have visited 3 schools so far but only 1 with a lesson. He has another one scheduled this June and is trying to set up another meeting with a teacher for August.</p>

<p>Having read the comments of CC Music major posters H and I feel better about having agreed to let him lighten his academic load for next year, although the private counselor is not happy (I will send her the link for comments about guidance counselors). 4 academic classes, 3 honors plus AP music theory, then 3 music classes, one of which he can use as practice time.</p>

<p>So I feel that we have things kind of under control at this point.
Any suggestions about finding, screening for a good local private teacher?</p>

<p>Thanks and I look forward to my continued CC reading and participation.</p>

<p>Welcome slovesviola!
You are so right about the teacher end of this. We've been lucky to always be in metro areas with several amazingly good choices of teachers. The only answer I've seen for those not so situated is weekly or biweekly travel to teachers. My kids' violin and piano teachers had students commuting distances of up to 400 miles! (I admire those parents - I couldn't have done it.) Some students from my area fly to Juiliiard pre-college - despite what I think to be excellent opportunities here. I think it really comes down to committment, desire, need and stamina! When we were busiest getting kids to different places just locally, I consoled myself that there was an end - the amount of time I spent for a few years now would, at a minimum, pay back in wonderful experiences and memories for them later in life. It sounds like you're doing well in your search - best of luck!</p>

<p>slovesviola, welcome. Are you within reasonable driving distance to FSU, U of South Florida, UMiami or Fl Intl U? If yes, consider possibly contacting faculty as source of instruction.</p>

<p>Open this link Florida</a> Orchestras, Symphonies and Operas and scroll down, there's a list of Florida orchestras/symphonies, and many performers teach privately. This is another source if proximity works for you.</p>

<p>Distance and proper fit between student and instructor can be hard to find and balance.</p>

<p>Thanks violadad and musicianmom</p>

<p>We are in the process of contacting some of these faculty, trying to get some feedback from local teachers and students who might be familiar with them before making a commitment to any one teacher. </p>

<p>Do you think it is advisable to try sample lessons from several of these teachers before making a decision on one? What is the best approach with the teacher, just to ask for a trial lesson? We could ask one, who is a professor at a conservatory, for a lesson as a potential applicant to that school and see how it goes from there. I am willing to drive the distance, up to 2 hours I guess, for the right teacher. </p>

<p>At this point in time the end of junior year crunch is in place and it is hard to find any extra time in the day. But of course it is best to find a teacher now for the fall before their studios fill up and there may already be waiting lists.</p>

<p>Without prior knowledge and exposure to a potential instructor's teaching philosophy and style, it's imperative to have a trial lesson. And yes, you'll probably need to try a couple of different teachers.</p>

<p>Besides networking as you are doing, another way of compiling a list is to identify a style or sound that your son would like to pursue. If he is enamored with a particular artist's technique and interpretation (across a variey of pieces), this may be an instuctor he would like to have. Listen to recordings, internet clips, etc. This is more applicable to an undergrad search or metro area however, than in your particular situation.</p>

<p>A private instructor/student relationship needs to be based on some common ground, and personality, teaching and learning styles, ability to assess skills and potential and move a student forward solidly have to be compatible with a student's realistic expectations, goals, talent and work ethic. The perfect match is a true mentor/student bond.</p>

<p>In arranging a trial, be honest about goals. Is the need to develop or refine skills and technique, or concentrate on potential audition rep for undergrad auditions. I'd be wary of an instructor who wishes to concentrate soley on audition rep at the expense of addressing specific or general areas of a student's technique and skill set that may require attention.</p>

<p>Personally, I would not hesitate to begin your contact and search now, even with the committments of junior year-end. Many faculty are engaged in summer programs, festival performances, performing committments and could be unavailable a good part of the summer. Time constraints and issues may well be more apparent in the coming senior year, with school selection, visits, audition prep and app deadlines. He seems ok as you've begun some of the processes from what I gather, but earlier than later tends to be best.</p>

<p>Some additional threads on teacher selection: <a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/391801-importance-master-teacher.html?highlight=teacher%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/391801-importance-master-teacher.html?highlight=teacher&lt;/a> <a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/390796-does-phenomenal-applied-teacher-really-trump-everything.html?highlight=teacher%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/390796-does-phenomenal-applied-teacher-really-trump-everything.html?highlight=teacher&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Thanks for the good advice Binx. I know we are too late for a summer program this year, but can you (or anyone else out there) suggest any workshops or festivals that may still be available? We live in the midwest so anything in this area would be best. My D plays both flute and piano. Just so we know for next year, when do we need to start applying for summer school? Thanks.</p>

<p>Artfulmom, a couple of threads on summer programs:
<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/7511-summer-programs-music.html?highlight=summer%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/7511-summer-programs-music.html?highlight=summer&lt;/a>
<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/477256-summer-programs-late-application-deadlines.html?highlight=summer%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/477256-summer-programs-late-application-deadlines.html?highlight=summer&lt;/a>
<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/478123-free-summer-orchestra-programs.html?highlight=summer%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/478123-free-summer-orchestra-programs.html?highlight=summer&lt;/a>
<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/423339-summer-programs-2008-a.html?highlight=summer%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/423339-summer-programs-2008-a.html?highlight=summer&lt;/a>
<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/406632-music-summer-programs.html?highlight=summer%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/406632-music-summer-programs.html?highlight=summer&lt;/a>
<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/358868-summer-festival-program-reports.html?highlight=summer%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/358868-summer-festival-program-reports.html?highlight=summer&lt;/a>
<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/336298-last-minute-summer-music-camp.html?highlight=summer%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/336298-last-minute-summer-music-camp.html?highlight=summer&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>There are more, but this will give you a good overview. They are in no particular order. There are more, but I grabbed the most recent or generic to highlight.</p>

<p>I honestly would look at some of the websites now as a prelude to next summer just to get an idea of timing, requirements, costs.</p>

<p>The application dates range from as early as December to mid-April, with most falling in the Jab-Feb-early March time frame. The "free" programs, festival programs tend to be the highest level, and therefore the most competitve.</p>

<p>Try Interlochen. It is in the Midwest, so travel expenses might be minimal, depending on where you are. Interlochen will accept qualified students this late so long as there is still an opening in a particular program and for a particular instrument. The website is <a href="http://www.interlochen.org;%5B/url%5D"&gt;www.interlochen.org;&lt;/a> follow the link to the Summer Arts Camp.</p>

<p>My son has a wonderful private teacher at home, but grows/learns/improves so much over the summer, it is amazing. Also, he comes back very inspired by the other musicians and very excited about music, in general.</p>

<p>Financial aid is available.</p>

<p>For next year, priority application date generally is Feb. 1, but the camp continues to accept applications after that date.</p>

<p>Artfulmom: NHSMI at Northwestern may also be appropriate for your D at this point. Applications were due on April 25, but I'm sure they'd take late applications if space is available.</p>

<p>Student, senior at a small public school in rural Ohio, starting in the fall as a Music Ed major (possibly double with German) at the College of Wooster, play with the Mansfield Symphony Youth Orchestra as Co-Principal Flutist and Solo Piccolo, work at our local grocery store, will graduate in the top 30% of my class, been involved with the Wooster Community Band as Principal Flutist and Piccolo since the beginning of the band, participated in three of COW's summer music camps they hold every year, played in a local honors band all four years of high school, participated in Solo & Ensemble with superior ratings all years except my junior year with a rating of excellent, participated in the MSYO's Chamber Music Camp this past summer.....not sure what else to add....</p>

<p>welcome lamiller2008</p>

<p>I wish I had found this site sooner, but better late then never. BassDad's story described the music college search experience beautifully. </p>

<p>My son will be attending McGill this fall for classical percussion and a minor in business. Its been a long journey but well worth it.</p>

<p>welcome, musicmom2! (love your name, btw)</p>

<p>Funny, but our musicson is considering McGill for grad school, tuba.
We hear it's wonderful.</p>

<p>Thanks ! (Now I know why I'm "2" )</p>

<p>I hope your son takes a look at the school.</p>

<p>McGill is wonderful. They are as nice and helpful as can be. Its interesting the Canadian schools like McGill and UToronto not as known in the US even though Schulich is on equal footing with the top US music schools. Several from the Montreal Symphony teach there and the new building is cutting edge. </p>

<p>We have vacationed in Montreal from time to time so my son had always dreamed of going there.</p>

<p>Montreal is a great city, easy to get around, and very friendly. Its also fairly safe. The end of June start the Jazz Festival (we've been twice). All the major international acts come and perform . Some venues are free and some get pricey, depends on the act. Lots of food, lots of fun. There is always something going on in Montreal year round.</p>

<p>Hullo - I've already been on this forum? thread? eh, whatever it's called, for a month or so, but as I am diligently procrastinating practicing for my recital and studying for the AP Econ Tests on Thursday, I decided to "introduce" myself.</p>

<p>So here I go.
1. Highschool Junior
2. Proud Iowan in Iowa City - no I do not go cow tipping on weekends, thank you.
3. Flutist. Um. Yikes? Good luck to me! : )
4. Considering BM, but in process of convincing parents that a double degree IS in fact possible.
5. Some, but limited, competition experience (won some state ones and am a finalist in a national one this summer, but then again, that "state" competition is for Iowa. Hey y'all, howdy do. ;D)
6. Abandoned by two teachers in last four years. They both moved to Indiana. Both national and international young artist competition winners. Both phenomenal. Both amazing people. And now, both gone. Whoopee me.
7. Ummm...hahah - not even worth mentioning, but All-State 1st? Remember, it's Iowa, though, so not that impressive, really.
8. Ermm. I have Asian parents who believe in the power of majoring in Biology and entering Medical School?
9. I profoundly disagree with above mentioned parents.
10. And to round off the numbering nicely to 10 useless facts about myself that no one cares about, I am uhhh..let's see. Nicknamed mihan, extremely energetic, likes chocolate and cake, am a night owl, am a [band geek, flute dork, math nerd, church snob and tennis flop - take your pick], and I like chocolate. Oh wait, I already said that I like chocolate. Oh well.</p>

<p>musicmom2-</p>

<p>Thanks for the info on McGill and Montreal.
I've visited Montreal many times as a child to see extended family but haven't been back recently. I remember it being large, clean. exciting and just a bit 'exotic'. This is,of course, a non-French speaking child's perspective!
Hope I have reason to visit again.</p>

<p>Welcome Mihan!!
I love your post. You and my daughter have a similar sense of humor.</p>

<p>Hahah, thanks! : ) And with ALLLlll my APs finished as of today, I came home to a brilliant welcome of an hour long international phone call of yelling and screaming about music majoring. This convincing process may take some more time to brew and grow to its full potential. I'm considering placing it in a short term bond. But then again, these days, you don't get too much interest. ; )</p>

<p>Off to do research on some statistics. Hard numbers/facts are the only thing that has a chance of working :D</p>