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<p>My d has noticed my interest in collegeconfidential and taken an interest in searching out colleges as well. I think it helps that her cousins have been doing college searches and visits. She is interested in smaller schools with limited impact from sports, frats/sor. and preppy kids. She would like to be near a "downtown" and about 2-4 hrs from Central NJ. We identified Vassar, Haverford, Bryn Mawr, Smith, Goucher, Mary Washington, Skidmore- maybe Bard, Tufts and American. She is only a freshman so this is just for fun. She understands that Dad likes to look but she gets to pick. (Dad understands this too.) We may qualify for aid but are prepared to foot the bill for her. My parents paid for 5 and we want to allow her to go where she wants (only child) so we can do what is needed- loans etc. Any other schools you can suggest and any input on the schools mentioned would be appreciated.</p>

<p>Thanks- this is the only site I trust on the entire internet. I do not trust most information that is posted on the internet about most topics but this site is amazing.</p>

<p>Everything we thought we'd be looking for when daughter was a freshman is noe invalid in her junior year. She developed all new interests, did better than we thought she would and the 2-4 hours from home went out the window as she discovered dream schools on the other side of the Country. Relax for now!</p>

<p>My son is an 8th grader, and because his senior sister has gone thru the process this year, he has done a little looking too. If you are in the neighborhood of any of these schools, go by for a visit. You can probably forgo the info session at her stage, but take the tour or drive around campus. DD only looked at a few of those schools, but it looks like a good diversity of selectivities.
I agree relax, it is just for fun, and she will change, but her having an idea of what a bigger school looks like vs a small one is good to have going into junior year. A couple of overnights with those cousins in a year or two might be a good idea, too.</p>

<p>I have to agree with Zagat - my daughter is also a junior and is a very different person, with different interests and different desires, than she was when she was a freshman. The colleges I thought would be "perfect" for her then are definitely not now! In fact, I'm pretty sure that many of the colleges I think would be "perfect" for her now in the spring of her junior year are probably NOT going to be so "perfect" to her when she's actually sending out applications next year. </p>

<p>I think it's fine for you to look and dream a bit Dad --- but starting too early at actually choosing colleges is only going to burn your daughter AND you out by the time senior year rolls around. (Trust me on this, learn from MY experience!) </p>

<p>However, I don't think it is too soon to start reading collegeconfidential and learning about the college choice and admissions process. By reading the experiences of others as they pick out, apply and get rejected/accepted to colleges over the next few years, you'll have a much better sense of how to help your daughter when it is her chance. A few college drive throughs in sophomore year are fine --- but don't start drawing up a list just yet.</p>

<p>Welcome. You will find most of what you need here. Don't forget about the college specific forums as many of your D's initial list have there own forums. Also, and I do not say this lightly-never venture to the regular cc cafe :eek: I wish someone had warned me.</p>

<p>I agree with the sage posters above and would only add that we made college "drive through" visits a part of every travel trip from about freshman year . Nothing official , just a "coke" at the student union, something like that. No pressure. We had fun as a family doing it, and on business trips I kept the habit going and would pick up material to remind me of the campus feel.</p>

<p>As far as academics , I wish we had paid a bit more attention to scheduling AP classes for the purpose of taking SAT II's .Encourage her to take the psat and plan next year as a primer to the tests that follow.That's really about all. </p>

<p>Other than that enjoy her, and give her access to wonderful adventures, both physical and mental. They grow very fast. Mine is changing right before my eyes. (Maybe an urban campus in a nice safe neighborhood isn't completely out. Yea!)</p>

<p>Tom1944, I too think that this site can be a good help to prospective college applicants. However I also think that it can present a skewed view of the process. There are two reasons I say this. First, it is a very self-selecting group of parents and students and it is safe to say that those posting here represent the upper eschelon of students. However i also believe that there is significant exaggeration by some posters.</p>

<p>Looking at SAT 1 scores, ETS data indicate that the 75%ile aggregate SAT 1 score is about 1160. You will not find many students here with or admitting to this score. Also, there were about 20,000 students with aggregate SAT scores of 1500 or better in 2004. It seems that most reside here and fewer than admitted to the frosh classes of the top 14 national research universities as ranked by USNews.</p>

<p>Regarding AP corurses, it is not unusual for students to post schedules with 6 or more AP's in a school year. While I am sure there are some students who do this, they are a very rare breed indeed.</p>

<p>What I am suggesting is to warn you and your daughter to not become to influenced by personal bios posted here. Sure she should take a challenging course load but tailor it to her interests and abilities. Do good work in school, but don't be devastated by an occasional B on the transcript.</p>

<p>And keep things in perspective! A quality education is not the reserve of the handful that USNews coronates as their top 10. Your daughter can get a great education at literally hundreds of colleges. The ones you listed are among those.</p>

<p>Good luck.</p>

<p>welcome.</p>

<p>you might also pick up some of the standard college guides, Princeton Review Top 357, Fiske Guide, Yale Guide to Colleges, and the like. They are great to have around the house, at least for Dad. I prefer the latter two books, but my kids just loved to thumb thru PR and read the "Survey Says...."</p>

<p>I agree with the other posters that your D will very likely change over the next couple of years. Perhaps over the summer or during spring break, you can take her to visit some colleges of different sizes and locations to giver her a feel for the different campuses. Remember, however, that what feels overwhelming to a 15 year old may no longer feel so to an 18 year old. </p>

<p>At this stage, it is better to focus on developing a set of academic and extra-curricular interests. For example, if your D is interested in the sciences, what courses should she be taking so as to enable her to take the most rigorous classes her school has to offer in these subjects? And if her school does not offer the most advanced classes, what are possible alternatives?</p>

<p>Heck, my D changed between the time we visited colleges jr year and when she applied senior year.</p>

<p>My only advice is this: Don't take the process too seriously. It is easy to view college selection and admissions as some sort of contest, with grand prizes (HYPS), 2nd, 3rd etc. place (rest of the top schools), honorable mention (USNWR top 50), and the rest. Of course, some of us realize that not all kids would even be happy at a top school, and that the process is one of finding the right fit.</p>

<p>So take your time and have some fun. Do not forget to leave time for local sightseeing when you visit a place. IMHO, the process should be rewarding in and of itself. (OK, leave out rewards from the application part of the process...)</p>

<p>Tom, welcome to the search. Fwiw, my D started the college process when she was a freshman as well, though it was at our instigation...asking questions based on criteria listed in the Barrons Guide to establish parameters, taking her to Northwestern as part of what was otherwise a family vacation (and where she complained most about having to be in a high school, <em>my</em> old high school, on her Spring break, which she considered should be competely school-free).</p>

<p>One way I would view the process is as a funnel, narrowing down from now until senior year but preserving options and exploring alternatives in the meanwhile. In my D's case, while she preferred New England, she studied/visited schools in the Midwest and Mid-Atlantic states, putting off visits to the NE schools until Spring of junior year. She did, in fact, wind up in New England (Smith). </p>

<p>Some of the initial criteria made it through the process intact: most or highly competitive academics, access to high-level ballet. Others did not. ("No plan survives contact with reality. --Von Schlieffen) For instance, D was certain that she wanted to be in a large city, was highly inclined towards large universities, and was skeptical about womens colleges. Columbia became #1 on paper...after visiting, she did not even apply, whereas visiting Smith punched the buttons for LAC's (four of seven final applications) in general and womens colleges in particular.</p>

<p>I would summarize her state of mind after 1-1/3 semesters as "tired but extremely happy." By most standards, I'd have to say that the process worked. If you design a good process, <em>let</em> it work.</p>

<p>Fwiw, of your list, Skidmore was her Safety and she visited American and if her criteria had been slightly different I think Tufts, Bryn Mawr, and Vassar could have popped onto her list. (insufficient ballet, too small & ballet questionable, too remote, respectively.)</p>

<p>Thaks for the input. Everyone is right -I do not want to start the process too soon, but the conversation on colleges has seemed to motivate her in the classroom. She was always a top student but has really taken to school this year. Her grades have always been A's but now she seems to enjoy the classroom. The higher the expectations of the teacher the more she enjoys the class. I think its her substitute for sports- her hs is so large an average athlete can not particpate in most sports so she has stopped. This process has also started her to look for EC's both the Literary Mag and newspaper have some appeal. She is finding these on her own but I think she may have been content to do nothing if it was not for this process. She is not being forced to participate but like most kids needed to have a reason to look.</p>

<p>Sounds great! In a large high school, ECs can be a good way to make friends.
I would also suggest that she look into community service: tutoring other students since she excels herself, volunteering at a hospital or museum, etc... Another good EC to pursue would be debate/mock trial. She should focus on a few and pursue them consistently rather than scatter her time and energies among many. Summers are great for ECs. It can mean working, or traveling, or doing an internship, or taking summer classes.</p>

<p>A suggestion: </p>

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<li><p>In the earlier HS years, take the college visit process as one of having fun. For example, we were in upstate NY summer after my D's soph year fossil hunting and took a detour to Ithaca and overnighted there. We went to Moosewood for dinner, got Cornell's famous ice cream for lunch, and saw the town and campus. We did not take a tour, just explored on our own. </p></li>
<li><p>we drove through Penn State another time, stopping for ice cream again.</p></li>
<li><p>Don't do what some friends seem to be doing. They have a D in 6th grade and are already talking about what activities she should get started in so she can have the "right" ECs in HS. Ugh.</p></li>
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<p>You have already gotten great advice and mine is not much different. My kids did not start the college search process until the start of junior year. I can't imagine starting much sooner. Already that is a two year process of college stuff and it was plenty. Junior year was for the search process, visiting all the schools on the selected condensed list, doing all the requisite testing, etc. Senior year was for the application process. Nothing was rushed and it all worked out. I can't imagine looking into specific schools much sooner than fall of junior year because kids change, interests may change, etc. </p>

<p>As others said, MAYBE in ninth or tenth grade, if you are traveling somewhere, you could expose your child by a drive by certain types of college campuses...rural, suburban, urban, small, large, private, LAC, state...not even ones on any particular list but simply getting a sense of what colleges even look like and the great variety out there. I don't recall doing this ourselves though I suppose my kids have seen schools in their travels by chance...like Harvard, NYU, our state University, Middlebury....that were places that they saw passing by but there was no intent to do so. I recall when in Boston, driving by to show our girls where we went to college and the spot where we met, at Tufts. But no, we never set out to look into colleges til junior year. </p>

<p>What I think the focus should be on the first few years of high school is WHAT the kid is doing...interests, academics, ECs, summer activities. You COULD talk about long term goals....college...what type...what do I need to do now to stay on track? challenging classes? explore a particular academic interest? how will I spend my summers? what activities do I want to immerse myself in? what do I enjoy doing with my time? Jobs? travel? internships? </p>

<p>My own kids were involved in a myriad of ECs and one of them narrowed the focus and one did not but both were in long term committed ECs they began when quite young. But it is not too late to start anew freshman year. If sports are not what she is going to do, ask what other things she would enjoy getting involved in. Do NOT pick what will "look good for college". She should do what she enjoys and has an interest in and then stick with it (unless she hates it), garner achievements, take initiative, lead, whatever. There may be things connected to her school...you mention literary mag or newspaper, or debate and such...but also look beyond school to offerings in your area....or volunteer work, or a job or lessons in something. Perhaps these interests can be pursued further in summer. It does not matter so much WHAT the interest is, but more that she get involved in more than just academics. But even with academics, perhaps she will develop an interest area that goes beyond the classroom to research, an internship, a volunteer thing, a summer program. You'll have to wait to see what develops but also talk about WHAT she wants to do. Keep the long range goals in mind but not specific colleges. She will be working toward a general goal. I know my kids always had college in their minds and doing their best in high school because of what they might want to do next. One child did an independent study in junior year to explore an academic /career interest and even a two week internship in that field....truly for herself but also to explore something that she might want to take up in college and if so, might narrow her college search. I have another kid whose entire EC life matches what it turns out she is going to go to college for (not that that was the goal when she picked the ECs but that interest turned into a career aspiration). </p>

<p>So, while they had long term goals as to the kind of college they might want to go to someday....D1 wanted to go to a "really good college" and D2 wanted to go to a well regarded BFA program...that was in the back of their minds right along but their focus was on school and ECs but without any certain colleges in mind and they did not do a college search until junior year. </p>

<p>I am not saying this is the way for everyone but I personally cannot imagine starting to do college selection so early in high school because the focus is not developed yet and there is SO much else to concentrate on during that time....actually DOING the academics and the interest areas and so forth....THEN develop focus for a college search. Also, I would get burnt out on this college stuff if I did it for four years. Two years of it per kid is quite enough, lol. </p>

<p>Right now I am running from college to college and I can't imagine doing this for four years straight. I leave today for the 8th college audition in as many weeks. I have been at this college thing for three years straight cause of two kids going to college one year apart (though they are truly two years apart chronologically). I'm practically college'd out though it has been fun. I have learned a LOT! </p>

<p>Good luck to you and enjoy the ride. Don't get too specific with colleges too soon. Focus on school and outside interests for now with a talk of the longer range goal.</p>

<p>I think we lucked out in some ways...wish we'd had CC a bit earlier...but for some things, thinking about college in junior year is waaaay too late. You should have some awareness of parameters with respect to high school course selection and depth vs. breadth on EC's no later than 9th grade. Given how many school systems track for honors/AP courses, this can have implications for performance (grades) as early as 5th grade...it does/did in our district. (5th-grade grades/recs determined who goes into the middle school tracks of accelerated English and accelerated Math and without being on that track for grades 6/7/8, it would be virtually impossible to be doing Calc BC in senior year of high school without taking extra Math during the summer, which certain EC's may preclude, yada yada yada.)</p>

<p>As early as 2nd grade, my D knew that she was going to college and that was virtually all she knew and there really wasn't any particular discussion beyond that generalized expectation.</p>

<p>However, at the end of 8th grade, her grades and scores on state exams suggested that she would be a candidate for top schools and at <em>that</em> point the initial awareness was expanded with open ended questions. As I said in an earlier post, it's a narrowing funnel and after middle school the funnel still is--or should be--quite wide. The initial conceptual "map" included HYPS (no M) on one hand and schools such as Gettysburg College on the other. (Pace Carolyn, if we'd known about CC, I'm sure Goucher might have made the list too. :) )</p>

<p>9th grade certainly is not to early to start getting a handle on what's considered important in terms of admissions and what some of the tripwires in the process are.</p>

<p>If you just start to find out junior year, some choices have already been set in stone and certain options foreclosed.</p>

<p>I agree with the concept of not pushing to hard to early but also agree with TheDad in that some preparation needs to start sooner -. It is much easier to prepare to take 3 SAT II exams if you know they are required prior to attempting all 3 jr year . Also this site assisted us with planning not years schedule- the importance of taking the most challenging schedule she could handle without overburdening her but beyond the graduation requirements. My daughter has chosen to take a path that will have her taking all the high level maths at her school. She may have only taken 4 years if we did not learn the importance of a challenging schedule. She loves math and does wells so she picked this path. Ap classes can only start jr year in our school and it is difficult to take both AP in both math/science due to scheduling and requirements. Again starting early has helped and the looking into colleges is really only to let her see the potential reward. And she has taken the interest. I am sure she will change her thoughts many times and could decide to go to one of several local schools but thats ok. This is fun and she likes it so far. By the way any schools that have that walkable downtown that anyone likes- even out of the area I listed above- we may visit on vacation. We take different types of vacations- no sun- no resorts. Daughter likes rock concerts, I like history,wife likes local area sites- so we can go anywhere and tie all 3 together.</p>

<p>Just my $0.2, I think it's a great idea for kids to take a look at schools early on in high school, maybe even freshman year.</p>

<p>When I visited schools as a junior over February break (which is somewhat early, most kids wait until it's nice out and do Spring), I was in a bit of a slump. Seeing the difference between Hamilton and Dartmouth snapped me right back into shape, and I was working much harder thereafter. Actually seeing schools and being able to say "If I don't work harder I won't be welcome here" did the trick for me.</p>

<p>If your D loves math and the school has a math team, consider having her join it. Also the Science team. You don't have to be advanced in science to join, you do tons of different things and learn while doing and preparing for "meets." My S learned a lot of science that way and made great friends. </p>

<p>With your family's interests, consider a trip to Boston/Cambridge and surrounding towns. Another possibility is the Northampton area, to look at colleges that form part of the 5 college consortium (Mt Holyoke, Amherst, Smith, Umass-Amherst, Hampshire College). In CA, Pomona, Harvey Mudd, Claremont-McKenna, Pitzer and Scripps also form a consortium. There are other locations where one can do quick tours of several colleges to get a feel and still feel that one is on vacation.</p>

<p>I'll just add my "ditto" to what others have posted. DD had to "tag along" at all of her brothers college visits (which he began the spring of 10th grade). She got a sampling of the types of schools that were out there. BUT these were not visits that were "serious" endeavors for her. Still she was able to formulate some ideas for her own search which began the summer before her junior year and continues now. Some of her interests have changed considerably, and she has found herself liking (a lot) schools that she didn't think she would like. We tried to combine family driving vacations with the college "visits" and this worked well for us. There is no harm in doing some informal visiting now (just driving around, or walking around a campus yourselves). But expect that what your daughter appreciates now might not be the same things that she will be drawn to when application time finally rolls around. And as others pointed out...some kids even change their minds between when the aps are done and the acceptances come in. DS was one of those...was SURE he would be going to a conservatory... but in the end decided that a big U with a good music program was better for him. Luckily he had applied to and got accepted at two of those! Moral....keep you options open, even at ap time.</p>

<p>This is where you on the East Coast have it way over on us on the West Coast. It's hard to convince a Bay Area family that driving down to the Claremont Colleges is "just like having a vacation"! Or to say, I know, let's go visit UC Davis! And we can't just drive to Massachusetts either.</p>