<p>No, I’m saying it’s not class warfare. Poor people aren’t revolting against the richer people, as much as some would like others to believe.</p>
<p>Well first off I really wasn’t complaining. I just said that my school gave me FA but once they saw my fathers taxes, they took it away. They were mostly grants from the school and not FA excluding the S-loan that I declined. So now I have no aid at all and as I result I must transfer. SO you see, instead of me staying there, taking out massive amounts of loans that I might not be able to pay back, I’m choosing to transfer. Why should the tax payers bail me out for? I noticed that no one combated the issue I brought up about tax payers bailing out the students.</p>
<p>No one here suggested that the tax payers should bail you out. And bail you out for what? For choosing a school you realized you couldn’t afford? Your logic hurts my head.</p>
<p>I think what many of us are objecting to was your statement that if your parents send you to private schools they should get tax relief. Plus, your complaint that kids in public schools were getting all these unbelievable perks like swimming pools, air conditioning, and smart boards. You said this. </p>
<p>Plus you said public school teachers got amazing perks they didn’t deserve, which is ridiculous. They can be extremely hardworking and underpaid. Sorry if you had a few you said were bad and didn’t teach you well (hmm) but there are slackers in every single profession. By the way, teachers in public schools often have to use their own money for school supplies, and spend hours and hours beyond the school day with grading and lesson prep. I don’t think you really know what you are talking about.</p>
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<p>MANY teachers take advantage of this. Plus it makes me lol when they complain about getting underpaid while they have off on holidays and the summer. They have it made.</p>
<p>Off on holidays and summer? When do you think they write lesson plans for the semester/year, and work on curriculum stuff?</p>
<p>Columbia, you said that. I quoted you.</p>
<p>Sorry, Colunbia, it was KAJ who had the rant about the swimming pools. </p>
<p>But to say teachers have it easy because they ont wok in July and part of August is ridiculous. Their salary covers the time they work. What perks? Healthcare? Is that a perk?</p>
<p>Anyway, whatever you think of teachers, that should have no effect on the concept of funding public education for our nations children.</p>
<p>Wow, this thread really digressed from the OP’s intent.</p>
<p>Redpoint, I wasn’t “attacking” paper tiger at all and I certainly was not complaining about not having an itouch. I think it’s good that paper tiger claims to be hardworking and it’s a shame that he/she’s still having a hard time. As Columbia previously posted, the poor people who are hardworking and do not take advantage of the system are the ones to look up to. I have come to the conclusion that there are just as many poor people that “take advantage of the system” as you and Spel claim there are wealthy people. And this thread has really just turned into two radical opinions and people who clearly disagree and have trouble considering both sides of the argument. In a previous post, I was told to do a better job of seeing the other side of the argument. I’m actually doing a fine job of it. It’s just that everything a person says in this thread seems to be taken way out of context and blown out of proportion. You and Spel have a different outlook than Columbia and I do. Okay. </p>
<p>If anyone on here is “attacking” anyone else, it’s you and Spel attacking Columbia. I don;t think Columbia believes that NONE of our tax dollars should go to public schools. I think what he/she was trying to say was that he/she believes in a tax deduction for sending your children to a private school. Redpoint, you send one of your kids to private school. I guess your other kids go to public school, right? Well, what would be wrong with you getting a tax deduction for sending your one kid to private school? Yes, it’s your choice to send your child to private school, but the private schools do not receive a whole lot of grant money from our government. The private school teachers are not much better off than the public school ones. The private schools that do have extras such as central air conditioning, swimming pools and smart boards are only able to afford them from private donors of the school and the parents’ hard-earned tuition money. The students in public schools really do not need those things. They are not necessities. They are extras. And it’s not the government’s job to spend OUR hard-earned tax dollars on whatever the hell they want. I have no problem with my money going towards desks and books for our public school kids. I only have a problem when the government decides that the public school kids deserve more than they need to get a basic, free education. I also understand that public school facilities very immensely depending on the area they are located in. In my particular area, it bothers me because a new swimming pool was just installed in our new public kindergarten building. Completely unnecessary, right? </p>
<p>Please stop “attacking” Columbia and everything he/she posts. Try to undertand that he/she is not trying to defy every single thing that you believe in. He/she’s trying to get a personal point across and has the right to do so without being harassed after every single post. Some of the comments on here are getting so off topic and it’s getting ridiculous.</p>
<p>^ are you kidding me? All Columbia has done all along was complain about how he feels his parents are getting cheated by the system because they can’t afford private schools, they have to pay taxes, and how teachers exploit “perks.”</p>
<p>I don’t consider these opinions so much as ignorant claims that really upset me when I read them.</p>
<p>The fact is college education is expensive. The average debt per college student has been about 25k after graduation. Everyone has to pay taxes. And high school teachers are underpaid. this varies from state to state, but the bottomline is that the secondary education system is filled with teachers who are passionate about teaching. Teaching is not a lucrative profession, and they do not exploit perks. Do you see peaceful protests against teachers? They’re getting laid off nationwide, and columbia is accusing them of exploiting perks?? really?</p>
<p>Also, private school is a privilege, not a right. If there are tax cuts for sending your kids to private school, it’ll be like a tax cut for the rich. Don’t be selfish and say that a tax deduction like that would be right just because it would make it easier for you to send your kids to private school</p>
<p>He couldn’t even spell bail right, and he spammed personal remarks over the thread. Don’t defend a ■■■■■.</p>
<p>I strongly agree that no one one should be harassed. No good comes from adding that to the argument. I don’t think I am harassing anyone personally, although the views expressed make me very angry and a little sick.</p>
<p>Most public schools don’t have swimming pools. They do have football teams. Maybe we should just get rid of sports programs altogether because those have nothing to do with learning. (I’m being sarcastic, but not completely because I don’t think schools should spend so much money on sports at the expense of education). There must be some reason why your system all of a sudden is getting a pool. I can’t speak to that. Probably someone made a nice donation, or there was a capital campaign to get it. It might not even be tax-payer funded.</p>
<p>I don’t think public schools should have the bare bones funding you suggest, however. So everyone talks about having more scientists and engineers. Public schools should therefore be putting more money into having great science departments. Once a kid is in college, it is often too late for him or her to get a solid foundationin science. Growing up, we had NO science labs. There was no money for it. I consequently know nothing about science. Spend more money on science and less on football!</p>
<p>I don’t know where you live, but in many areas of the country air conditioning is a necessity. I remember almost fainting once in English class because it was too hot. That’s just cruel. No one can learn if it’s too hot.</p>
<p>Smart boards are an amazing technology that advances education. I have no idea why you have a problem with that.</p>
<p>Honestly, I am trying to see your side, why it is good for individuals not to fund schools and to save the money or their own use. I really do not get it. We need a better educated society.</p>
<p>Although, going on a tangent re sports programs. If you take away sports from public schools you will be taking away another hook that helps kids get into colleges. It would mean more rich kids with parent-funded sports training would get the leg up and into college from sports. Kinda like thy already do with lacrosse, crew, etc.</p>
<p>Let’s just say, the deck is clearly stacked against kids without money. The least we can do is fund public schools properly.</p>
<p>speaking of sports. I think it’s an overall hindrance to education. It helps kids stay in school, but it also glorifies athletes over scholars. It gives kids with athletic talent an upper edge in college admissions over kids who actually work hard to get into those colleges. Not only that, college is free for them! I’d like to get into the NCAA, and the six figure salaries made by all the coaches, but that’s another matter. at the end of the day, you have to wonder where the coaches get these athletic scholarships for all these athletes.</p>
<p>There’s a lot of things wrong with the education system. The money’s there, but it’s used in all the wrong ways. If the US wants to produce good students, it needs to invest more money on education. And colleges need to make that education more affordable. I don’t know how many times this question has been addressed before. It’s just a nobrainer.</p>
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<p>Thanks KAJ for trying to make my point clear to them. Where did I say my parents were cheated? KAJ is right, my number one point is a tax reduction for parents that send their children to private school. </p>
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<p>Do you know how much the average NYC teacher makes a year? 100,000. If anything private school teachers are under paid, making less than half on average. Most of them actually want to teach and not be there just for the pay check as I’ve seen with many public school teachers. </p>
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<p>I think its ignorant that you assume students who attend private schools are rich. There are A LOT of affordable private schools, mine was only 8, 000 a year. Some are even tuition free. </p>
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<p>Glad to know you could point that out. Thanks</p>
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<p>You do realize that they only ever have to do things once, and then repeat them on a cycle, right? I suppose not. If anything they come up with lesson plans over the weekend or on weeknights; whichever most effectively uses up 45 minutes.</p>
<p>[College</a> Conspiracy - YouTube](<a href=“- YouTube”>- YouTube) I don’t agree with everything that is stated in this video. I do believe that not everyone should go to college, but it does go over the government bailing out students from their FA debt.</p>
<p>“You do realize that they only ever have to do things once, and then repeat them on a cycle, right? I suppose not. If anything they come up with lesson plans over the weekend or on weeknights; whichever most effectively uses up 45 minutes.”</p>
<p>False. I go to a school with a large education program and have many friends who plan to be future educators. Perhaps there are teachers that develop curricula once and reuse it, but these teachers also happen to be lazy and ineffective. Every subject is constantly evolving, and with states constantly re-writing the requirements for their exams, there is a constant process of keeping on top of things and revising that needs to be done. Also, especially new teachers will likely find certain aspects of their first years to have been inadequate, and may decide to revise their curricula to include more time for a certain topic, or less for others. Not to mention, teachers are also faced with the added burden of attempting to manage behavioral problems while trying to teach to state standards that are often just not in line with what students are prepared for. </p>
<p>Just think of the longest presentation that you’ve ever had to give, and imagine doing that every single weekday. That takes a LOT of preparation and my friends who are student teaching will tell you that it is very demanding. If you think that being a teacher is such a sweet gig, go for it yourself. But there are definitely many reasons why most of those who go into the profession do not last.</p>
<p>whatever happens in NYC is completely up to New York. Also, did you know that everything is more expensive in NYC? The average salary for everyone in NYC is higher than elsewhere.</p>
<p>And just because you can find a single private school that’s cheap, or a single public school that’s expensive, doesn’t mean they’re all like that.</p>
<p>And just because you may know of someone who came from poor, abusive parents but ended up going to Stanford, which was funded through the Questbridge program doesn’t mean the average American can sent their kids to private school. I mean your own parents are making you transfer to a state school</p>
<p>Instead of looking at the big picture, you’re just trying to find holes in the truths and the obvious.</p>
<p>Lastly, do you know what your tax dollars do? Hint: They don’t all go towards bailing out poor people in the form of the FAFSA. Don’t try to deny that you said you didn’t want to pay taxes, because you made no mention of tax cuts for people sending kids to private schools before someone else mentioned it,</p>
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<p>I’ve seen this video, and you missed the whole point. The point of this video was to show people the dangers of rising tuition costs, and the transition from a society where college degrees were rare to a society where college degrees are the bare minimum. And again, you can’t make the claim that a college degree is not necessary nowadays just because you found one person who flipped burgers out of high school, but is now a successful manager. On the flip side, a person who blew through college getting Cs and Ds and ended up flipping burgers might as well have been flipping burgers out of high school.</p>
<p>We would like to think this, but the hard cold truth is that there are a lot of teachers who are lazy and do reuse their lesson plans every year. They only change it a little. Even in my school students have told me that he/she has used the same slides on the smart board and even the same notes. Tests aren’t changed at all to. I remember my 7th grade math teacher gave the same test he gave his previous class. I used those to study and received a grade of 100 on every test.</p>
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<p>A duhhhhhhhhhh. I do pay taxes, I just believe in a tax reduction if you send your kids to a private school.</p>
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<p>I was talking about my high school. -_- There are private schools (colleges) that cost only 14, 000 dollars or even less you know. Thats even less than some state school. </p>
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<p>Yes. But at least they wouldn’t be in debt. Also I didn’t say that bailing out the students was the whole point of that video. I said that it went over the bailout issue. Also my parents really didn’t make me leave. I could stay but that would require me to take out large amount of loans that I really don’t want to do</p>