<p>LOL… xD</p>
<p>I can’t wait to find out where you are going to college.</p>
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<p>“Everything I say is fact or evidence-based opinion.” Let’s go to the tape…</p>
<p>“I’ve known people that are nice to other students simply because he/she was val/sal. Do I agree with this policy, no. But life’s unfair sometimes. You will find this more true in college, ironically.” (Quote needs citation) You’ve dealt with how many colleges? </p>
<p>“Race in college admissions BARELY matters for high income students.” (Quote needs citation)</p>
<p>“A 32 probably ruined my chances at ivy’s.” Either you don’t have much else going for you, or you are a huge complainer.</p>
<p>“IMO, going to a top college matters way more for guys than more girls.” Well, even idiots are entitled to opinions, I guess.</p>
<p>“If your a girl and you go to your state flagship, are decently attractive, and with a decent work ethic you will have almost the same opportunity as a girl that goes to HYPSM. For guys, it’s different.” How do you figure?</p>
<p>“The reality is many employers at still male and due to evolution, will be much nicer to girls.” Women are paid less than men on average for the same job…</p>
<p>“Lots of work in November won’t make a difference.” Should we start school in December then?</p>
<p>“Girls in HS want guys that are successful and not everyone can be a great athlete, national physics champion, have 1000 service hours and be awarded by the mayor, etc.” You’re just socially awkward and no one’s told you yet.</p>
<p>“Personality is only a part of the equation.” Unfortunately for you, it is part of the equation.</p>
<p>“Also, the idea that grades don’t matter is a myth.” In context, you say girls care about grades. I do not know anyone who has showed their grades to their future girlfriend.</p>
<p>In many of my remarks, I am kidding, but this forum needs some more heated debate.</p>
<p>OP: I wanted to just say lulz, but tat would be fewer than ten characters, so I’ll say that you should really, really do some research on gender politics and sexism in modern America if you think that what you said is fact.</p>
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<li>My older brother graduated from college a few years ago and almost everyone, including him, tells me that many aspects of college as well as life are unfair…one must deal with it. </li>
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<p>2, People are nicer to people with power. sad, but true. Ask your parents, “is everyone really nice to the boss.” The answer is usually, “yes.”</p>
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<li><p>This is based from past college acceptances for URMs from my school and some of my friends/siblings of friends. Also, this is only true for high income areas in my opinion.</p></li>
<li><p>In some AP classes at my HS, 32 is the AVERAGE score. Remember, ivys may take 1-3 students from each HS. Being average at anything is bad. </p></li>
<li><p>already explained that. </p></li>
<li><p>I’m assuming that’s sarcasm, so I will leave it alone. </p></li>
<li><p>Yes true. However, that’s rapidly changing. Also, my dad who employs college students in a mentoring program tells me that many times young employees that are very bright also lack good social skills. In many cases, personalities matter more for girls than guys because what I called the “flirtation factor.” </p></li>
<li><p>I’m referring to AP studying. One may work his butt of early, but forget it all a month before AP test. I’ve had super-hard teachers and really easy AP teachers and my AP scores are about the same (Except for english because my teacher just didn’t teach anything at all except her opinions). Easy/hard is within reason. Obviously, extremes at both ends are exceptions.</p></li>
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<p>I never said it was fact. I’m saying that in many cases, it occurs. There are many examples that prove me wrong. I’m just telling my opinion based on observations. I’ve had a unique life, and I’m open to new ideas.</p>
<p>How are colleges going to know if the girl is “decently attractive” when they’re evaluating her application? Hmmm…</p>
<p>And also, have you ever heard of the glass ceiling? In many professional oriented careers, like law and business, women have a distinct DISadvantage simply because of the patriarchal nature of society. So it’s definitely equally important for a girl to get a good education as it is for a guy. (Wow. I can’t believe it was necessary for me to even say that. I thought everyone knew this, but apparently not…)</p>
<p>Additionally, being President of 3 different clubs but not liking/having a passion for/doing well in in any of them just shows that you’re a mechanical robot trying to get into college. And adcoms know this.</p>
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<li><p>Usually they don’t, but an interview can somewhat make that a factor. I have a good friend that is very smart and also very attractive. The interviewer (who was male) from her top school told her she was amazing and made a special call to admissions to get her in…she got a likely a week later (this is from an ivy btw). However, I’m not saying that looks matter for college admissions. I’m saying that looks matter for things beyond college in many cases. Look, I believe that employers that hire women for looks should be sued…but often times they are not. It’s unforunate, but in many cases it is reality. If your a good looking girl, than great…life will be most likely easier for you…if your not good looking, than you must make sure to boost up your other qualities as much as possible IMO. </p></li>
<li><p>Yes a great education is necessary, but one doesn’t have to be as picky. (i.e. a degree from UCLA and a degree from Brown don’t have as much of a difference for girls than for guys). Guys, especially guys in their 20s are very competitive amongst themselves and less competitive when dealing with women. These minor details such as college choice (which will eventually become minor) are a bigger deal for guys because of their instinct to want to compete. </p></li>
<li><p>I mean 3 clubs one likes (i.e. I like debate…so I’m in MUN…I like service…so I’m in Key Club…I like history/science…so I do aca deca/science club). I’m on board of all clubs except MUN.) The 3 clubs was just an arbitrary #. You can choose to just focus on one club but I feel that’s risky because what happens if it’s junior year and the advisors drops or something like that. I originally thought I would love MUN, but I didn’t like the people in the club, so I haven’t done much with it (compared to my other ECs). Instead I focus on science club and Key Club, and aca deca. (and golf but that’s a sport). The main thing is to find a passion and do ECs that are related to that passion (i.e. if you like service, do Key Club, and become an Eagle Scout; If you like math, do math and science club).</p></li>
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<p>Probably the dumbest post I’ve ever read. I’ll only pick on one thing though. Why do you insist that people who care about academics are those who care about their GPA and SAT scores? I could care less about my GPA or SAT scores (though it may not always appear like this - and, even when I do, it is because it is a necessary means to reach another end that I think could be intellectually appealing), but that doesn’t mean that I’m not concerned with my academics. Academics are (is?) not merely grades or test scores; I don’t know why people don’t understand that. Those things are meant to be means towards ends (not ends in themselves); they are meant to provide the necessary motivation for students to learn the foundations that they must have in order to be able to adequately conduct their own original research (somewhat paradoxically, those who actually come up with original thoughts generally are not motivated by grades). So, no, the people in your school district does not highly care about academics - it highly cares about grades and test scores and that’s it (unless, which I’m assuming is the case, they see them as necessary means to getting into a top college where one can get an exemplary education and be surrounded by students and professors whose creativity and intellectual curiosity are conducive to the intellectual growth of a student). Bleh, another incoherent post :(.</p>
<p>OK, I’m sorry golfer3, I was going to leave you alone but you’re really making me angry with your sexist comments. You’re making yourself not only sound ignorant, but like a huge misogynist. I hope you realize this.</p>
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<p>OK honestly, intelligent highly-motivated women do NOT want their looks to boost them in their career and success. Good looks can actually be a bad thing because often if you’re pretty, people underestimate your intelligence. Your story about your “smart but attractive” friend is anecdotal at best and might I point out: How do you know her interviewer wasn’t impressed by her intelligence and achievements? It seems like you’re automatically she got in because of her looks, which I’m sure is not true. Plus, if you can use your anecdotal story about looks to prove a point, so can I: I have a really good female friend who is smart and gorgeous. She had a great interview but was rejected from Stanford SCEA. Does this prove anything? No. Either does your story, sorry.</p>
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<p>So…guys should go to Ivy Leagues out of some kind of societally induced competition? Interesting. I don’t think competition for success is limited to males, although maybe that’s just my feminist side talking? FACT: Lots of girls care about academics and being successful in college. I don’t know why you think that males are more competitive in this way, and I would be interested in seeing evidence that proves this.</p>
<p>Also, just for the record…it doesn’t matter which gender is more “competitive” with each other regarding stupid things like school prestige. The point is that girls are just as entitled to an excellent education as guys. A lack of social benefits (which may or may not be real, but you seem to think they are) doesn’t mean that girls should just settle for a state school and leave slots in the Ivies open for guys. Your implication of this is ignorant, offensive, and honestly…dumb.</p>
<p>My revisions:</p>
<p>1) Grades are important–obviously. And no, your grades will not help you get friends. Unless your definition of friend is sycophant.</p>
<p>2) The SAT/etc is imporant–obviously. If you’re unhooked, consider the top 75% or above on each section your goal.</p>
<p>3) Do well on your AP tests, but 3’s and 4’s won’t kill you. SAT II’s are more important.</p>
<p>4) ECs are important. School ECs are generally less impressive than those that extend into your community. Try and win stuff. Be focused. You should be interesting and accomplished, not just busy. See [Study</a> Hacks Blog Archive Case Study: How Could We Save This Ridiculously Overloaded Grind?](<a href=“http://calnewport.com/blog/2008/09/12/case-study-how-could-we-save-this-ridiculously-overloaded-grind/]Study”>Case Study: How Could We Save This Ridiculously Overloaded Grind? - Cal Newport).</p>
<p>5) National Merit gets you money. At some schools.</p>
<p>6) Race matters. Check the stats. </p>
<p>7) IMHO, you don’t know what you’re talking about. A) Women are still underrepresented in several fields. B) Being attractive makes life easier–for women and men. Being overtly sexy, however, isn’t going to gain a woman any legitimacy, nor is it going to allow a woman to get away with a lesser degree. Seriously? Managers hire the promising, not the attractive. Quick question: Did you seriously just twist evolution into an argument for sexism?</p>
<p>HSL
Friends: Friends are good; everyone should have some. Joining clubs that genuinely interest you may lead you to meet other people with the same interest, which may subsequently lead to friendships. Other ways to make friends include being nice.</p>
<p>Teachers: You should do your homework before picking certain classes. Carefully construct a schedule that allows you to enough breathing room to focus on time-consuming classes. Busy work is bad, but work isn’t, and long-term preparation for the AP exam, especially in classes like the sciences and histories, is imperative. </p>
<p>Relationships: Girls are drawn to security, attractiveness, and personality. I wouldn’t pick my boyfriend out of a lineup of the guys in my school as the cutest, but we’ve been dating for over a year. Why? Because he’s sweet and we “fit” together. If you’re a sweet guy, you may have to wait a while for the girls to stop chasing the disinterested a**holes. If you’re a girl, you should get over your “apathy is hot” phase ASAP and find a guy you’d be proud to bring home for dinner. </p>
<p>Also, it’s HS…relationships are far, far less important than a group of friends.</p>
<p>son, you have a lot of growing up to do.</p>
<p>I can’t help but to question your ability to interact with the opposite sex in real life…</p>
<p>“Also, I don’t agree with what I wrote. It’s just an observation and an opinion based on what I know.”</p>
<p>So you don’t agree with your opinion. What you wrote totally makes sense. </p>
<p>I thought people with ACT scores of 32 and who rank #5 in Key Club would be more sensible than this. Obviously not. You need to wake up.</p>
<p>Big fan of: “I like debates. I’m thinking about a career in politics/journalism so yeah LOL…but I don’t mean too, I just like to understand two sides of the story. As long as the debate is based on evidence, it’s a good debate, no matter the topic.”</p>
<p>followed by: “They aren’t my views. I’m just telling you what I believe is occurring based on the observations and experiences that I’ve had. I even said in my post I don’t agree with much of what I state.”.</p>
<p>If you’re thinking about a career in politics or journalism you should watch how easily you contradict yourself. These aren’t your views? They’re just things that you believe, but not your views? I could use some clarification. You should also probably watch the sweeping generalizations as other people have pointed out, as well as the lack of evidence for your claims.</p>
<p>More of less your “take” on college admissions is that everything is important. This is nothing new, but your advice is a little bit ridiculous. Basically from your original post I’ve gleaned the you need a 5.0, 2400, 10 5’s on APs by sophomore year, three sports captaincies, and the cure for cancer in order to be admitted to the college you want. You give this advice based on results you have not received yet; it could just as well correlate to success as failure, and might not correlate to either.</p>
<p>What some admissions people might tell you is that there is no formula for getting into college, and that it all depends on different circumstances and factors, and at times can seem somewhat random. Personally, I’d rather their “take” on college admissions, they might know a bit more what they’re talking about than you.</p>
<p>Umm, if you say race matters next to nothing then why do URM’s need 100 less pts on the SAT?</p>
<p>“Also, I don’t agree with what I wrote.”
this must be where u lost those 4 points on the ACT from…</p>
<p><em>rolls eyes</em> ANYWAYS, for a kid who has a mile-long list of accomplishments [on the link u posted], u seem to have an awful-lot of insecurities. u should probs work those out before u get to that community college you’re surely headed to. oh, & i second what raelah & pretty much every one else in this thread has posted. except for u, obvi.</p>
<p>^Alright, let’s not be mean. The OP’s clearly not headed for a CC anytime soon, unless by choice, since colleges don’t screen for common sense.</p>
<p>^lol, i was being sarcastic. all of those things i said were meant to make fun of how the OP seems <em>himself</em>, considering he sees his 32 as “a failure” & all.</p>
<p>No but for his sake I hope he didn’t write his admission essays like he wrote that original post and his subsequent responses. While colleges don’t screen for common sense, the kind of thought process that the OP has demonstrated might come through in an essay/interview.</p>
<p>Though saying the OP’s heading for a CC is a bit harsh, and something of an ad hominem attack.</p>
<p>Oh, yes, colleges definitely do NOT screen for common sense… Sigh</p>