<p>UVA (2011-12 cycle data from US News)</p>
<p>Instate applicants: 604
Instate accepted: 122</p>
<p>20.2%</p>
<p>OOS applicants: 2497
OOS accepted: 289</p>
<p>11.6%</p>
<p>~~~</p>
<p>UM</p>
<p>Instate applicants: 1049
Instate accepted: 125</p>
<p>11.9%</p>
<p>OOS applicants: 4343
OOS accepted: 299</p>
<p>6.8%</p>
<p>While UM does appear to be a better option for OOS what those figures don’t tell you is how many of the OOS were undergrads there. Michigan does appear to have a bias for their UG’s. See 2012 profile:</p>
<p>Institutions with highest numbers of students</p>
<pre><code>University of Michigan: 61
Yale: 6
Harvard, UC-Berkeley, U of Notre Dame: 5 each
Hope, Stanford, U of N Carolina: 4 each
Calvin, Centl MI, Pomona, UMaryland, UMichigan-Dearborn, Wayne State: 3 each
</code></pre>
<p>Also, here is a 10 year average at UM medical school (1996-2006) of the top states where the UG’s attended:</p>
<p>Michigan 65.2
California 17.9
Massachusetts 11.2
Illinois 7.4
Indiana/New York 5.2
Pennsylvania 3.9
Maryland 3.8
Connecticut 3.6
Utah/North Carolina 2.6
Washington 2.4
Ohio 2.1</p>
<p>But without knowing how many people applied to UM from each undergrad you can’t be sure it’s a preference. If only 6 people applied from Yale but 500 people applied from UM are they really that biased towards UM?</p>
<p>Additionally matriculant data is also influenced by the final decision of the applicant and wait list movement. Maybe UM alumni are more likely to choose UM than other accepted/accepted from waitlist students.</p>
<p>As father of an OOS applicant to Michigan, it doesn’t matter to me even if Michigan admitted 100% of their instate applicants, since it’s OOS acceptances are comparable to it’s peers in every respect. </p>
<p>OTOH, USC Keck, which is a private school, is only marginally better than the notorious CA publics, in it’s OOS acceptances (both percentage and number).</p>
<p>That’s a fair point. I wasn’t thinking about it in an absolute sense, only relative.</p>
<p>When son interviewed with Michigan as an OOS, they KNEW where he was interviewing. They knew he was interviewing with them on Friday and flying to Boston and interviewing with HMS on Monday. Told him while he was in the interview.</p>
<p>They then asked that if he was accepted to UNC would he pick them (his in-state) over UM. He told them it would depend. They then asked would he pick UM over Harvard. Again said it would depend. He explained his depend was the money. He only applied to schools he would really attend and especially only the ones he interviewed at. The conversations after the interviews were about the money. And since michigan was OOS the money was substantially more than UNC. UNC could afford to offer him what they wanted without losing much while gaining a student they really wanted.</p>
<p>HMS has the unit loans which don’t have a lot of movement. They all offered the MBA EXCEPT for UNC so that’s were they were lacking. Only to be told that would be remedied and it has been. After matriculation, of course and only after he withdrew from his other acceptances.</p>
<p>Kat</p>
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I am shocked to read that! How would they know? AMCAS explicitly promises that they do not reveal until after May 15th as to where else a student have acceptances, let alone where else a kid has applied …</p>
<p>Even if they knew, that line of questioning is maddening. I guess they can ask whatever they want!</p>
<p><a href=“https://www.aamc.org/students/download/182162/data/amcas_instruction_manual.pdf[/url]”>https://www.aamc.org/students/download/182162/data/amcas_instruction_manual.pdf</a></p>
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<p>entomom,</p>
<p>I was off on the exact dates, but did I actually misunderstand the policy? </p>
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<p>I interpreted that as they simply transmit your application to each school you applied to. Does that quote mean that they actually tell each school all the schools you are applying to? Further more, do schools communicate with each other or through AMCAS about interview invites of applicants? </p>
<p>I saw a question on TMDASS application asking applicants to list the schools they are applying to via AMCAS. I thought that was pretty nosy of TMDAS. But this would be down right crazy, if AMCAS willfully facilitates this kind of sharing!</p>
<p>A number of secondaries ask what other schools an applicants has applied/ will apply to.</p>
<p>It’s also a question that is asked with some regularity during interviews.</p>
<p>kal, In a hurry and just providing the info from AMCAS for clarification.</p>
<p>“Michigan, a public school, admits a sizeable number of OOS students”
-my D. had a worst experience with Michigan (OOS). We wished they simply reject, but they completely IGNORED her appliction, not a peep from them. She had very good choices at the end, was accepted to couple on the first day that they let applicants know, she knew couple hours after midnight and more so, one of them called her pre-med advisor expressing the wish that she choose to atten there (which she did). So, basically, Michigan silence was not a big deal in D’s case. However, given different circumstances, it could have been a big deal when applicant has no idea where she stands with the school. Another bad, but I would say somewhat betther deal was U of Chicago. As many others, D. was rejected few hours after they recieve her application fees. There were the one 2 rejections.</p>
<p>kal, I’d be interested in knowing the answer to your question about TMDSAS and AMCAS…D is submitting her TMDSAS today and is still not sure of the exact schools she’s applying to for AMCAS. If she applies to more than she’s listed on the TMDSAS app, how will that be perceived?</p>
<p>Also, how many applications are too many? Is it unwise/harmful to apply to say 25 schools?</p>
<p>25 is fine if she’s willing to turn around her secondaries in a timely manner. Not more than 10-14 days after receiving them. </p>
<p>What I recommended to D1 (who will be applying to 22 schools this cycle) is to start pre-writing answers now. You can look at the schools specific threads on SDN for old secondary questions. At some schools, secondaries are merely restating your qualifications, but some <cough **duke[="" b]="" cough=""> are real bears. And there seems to be a “why this school?” question on nearly every secondary. Tell your D to start researching her answers that question now so she can write a convincing reply.</cough></p>
<p>Thank you for the advice, WOWM. Since we’re residents of TX, she’ll apply to all seven of the TX publics. Four of those do not require an additional essay. She has done exactly what you suggest and has began working on all secondaries now based upon prompts obtained off the net. She will probably be applying to Duke. I’ve heard their essays are intense. :eek:</p>
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As normal. ;)</p>
<p>jc40. One takeaway lesson from my D’s app cycle was: she/we wasted some money applying to schools she may not have ever attended over her less favored but still well-liked Texas schools (she did not apply to the Texas Tech schools) given the huge difference in $. She could have assumed that her total package (GPA, MCAT, EC’s, timing) would yield her a Texas acceptance somewhere. But application paranoia being what it is…she took some comfort in “numbers” and applied to a handful of upper-mid-range privates ranked 20-50. She could have cut a few off that had “bad” numbers. Not a lot of savings but …some.</p>
<p>I think she applied to 22 and actually completed 20. Didn’t get around to Duke. She nixed Vanderbilt early because of their app (and their app history with her UG) and she should have seen Duke in the same way.</p>
<p>Curmudgeon…Your D sounds so much like mine! She is so worried about not getting in anywhere that her list just gets longer and longer. I feel like she’s got a decent shot, especially being a Texas resident. If an applicant applies to say 22-27 schools, will med schools know and say, “Yikes! This kid’s OCD to the max; we sure don’t want him/her!” I didn’t realize schools had access to where all you applied until recently. This seems like it could definitely work against an applicant. She’d choose several TX publics over others on her list simply because of $.</p>
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The Wolverines don’t like the Buckeyes. It is a well known fact in the college football world… 
I remember reading a story about the famous Buckeye head coach Woody Hayes. When he was on a recruiting visit to a small village across the border, his car broke down. He had to get it toed back into Ohio, as the only mechanic in the vicinity refused to fix it for him.</p>
<p>As they say, all is well that ends well.</p>