ND or Cornell

<p>We are trying to decide between ND and Cornell and will be visiting both schools. I would like to get your comments based on the academics at both schools. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.</p>

<p>it is hard to tell you anything with just that. What are you studying? Also, it may be worth asking about more than just the academics because I know here that there is a lot more to the Notre Dame experience than just what happens in the classroom! I am not trying to be rude, I just need more information and am suggesting that you look into more than just academics. If you tell us your prospective major and say that you only want to consider academics, we will go with that. Just remember that ND has a lot more than just academics.</p>

<p>For strickly academics, it depends on which school you got into at Cornell and what your major will be.</p>

<p>Cornell has very distinct schools and it could be very hard to transfer in and out of them unless you're in CAS or Engineering, as they are the two most selective. Cornell's CAS and engineering are probably "better" than ND, while ND is better than the other 5 schools at Cornell.</p>

<p>When I visited cornell they made it sound as if transfering between schools wasn't actually that difficult. Just thought I would add that before someone who knows more than me responds.</p>

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When I visited cornell they made it sound as if transfering between schools wasn't actually that difficult. Just thought I would add that before someone who knows more than me responds.

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Transfering from CAS and Engineering to other schools is easy. Transfering from the other schools to CAS or Engineering is hard.</p>

<p>If everyone could just transfer back and forth, everyone would apply for Hotel Management or ILR, as they are much less selective, and then transfer later :P</p>

<p>BTW, he said on another forum that he is looking at biology and pre-med. Again, I don't have time to post right now (sorry) but I will get to it as soon as I can. In my absence, can someone talk about the ND experience and how college is more than just academics (and how Cornell isn't that far from ND in that, at least I don't think so). On the Cornell boards a lot of people are saying you should just go to the school that is rated higher, one calling people "crazy" to even question between ND and Cornell, but I know of many people who did that and regret it. I don't know.</p>

<p>AHess it sounds as though you will be visiting the schools for the first time.</p>

<p>S loved Cornell's beautiful campus, but was dazzled by Notre Dame's campus, the FIRST YEAR program, NEW $80 million SCIENCE building due to open soon, and school spirit. </p>

<p>Cornell is renown for engineering-and, as being an intense pressure cooker.</p>

<p>Congratulations, you have great choices!</p>

<p>irish, you really ought to grow out of this whole thing where you run back to your board here and take little potshots at the people posting on the Cornell forum. There was what, one person who said something along the lines of "COME ON, AND IVY OR A FOOTBALL SCHOOL, DUH THE IVY" - hardly representative of the overall opinion on that board. Cornell is <em>probably</em> more prestigious than Notre Dame. In most international rankings (where prestige plays a major role), Cornell is ranked in the top 10-15 schools worldwide. That's NOT to say prestige is at all important - it's not (I am simply explaining the "logic" of the aforementioned poster). </p>

<p>If you perform well at an undergraduate level at either Cornell or Notre Dame, chances are you'll have your choice of top-notch medical schools to attend. If you change your mind and would rather pursue a career right after graduation, both have pretty huge alumni networks and graduates generally find jobs quite easily from either school.</p>

<p>They are both in the middle of nowhere...ND is a bit smaller, both are in college-ish towns with other schools nearby, ND has a great football team whereas Cornell has a great hockey team (yeah, yeah, so ND wins in this category). Politically they aren't too different...ND has the reputation for having a conservative student body, but Cornell's not crazily liberal. </p>

<p>It's a tough choice, haha, but you're going to really have to make it for yourself. Obviously, on this board, there are going to be people pushing for ND, and on Cornell's board, people pushing for Cornell. But, in the end, only you (the OP) really knows what you are looking for in your college experience.</p>

<p>Live, you will have to look at my OT thread to understand. What happened, for the sake of people on the board, is as follows. My research is on suicide and prevention and I had heard something about the bridges of Cornell, so while I was on the Cornell board I decided to post and ask about it. It was not to put down Cornell in any way but rather was because it is something I had read and I am especially interested in college suicide. I guess it so happens that a lot of people come on using that as a jab against Cornell so people reacted harshly and I freaked thinking that they were rude people because I thought I was just asking an innocent question, and I was, but there was a misunderstanding.</p>

<p>I later posted that I was leaving their board because I didn't want to cause trouble and I didn't want them to think poorly of ND and I posted over here thinking that they were rude and that ND people definately weren't welcome over there. However, after talking to posters, I found out why I got the reaction that I did and I came back and amended my thread on Cornell, as you can see I did several hours ago (so I am not sure why you are bringing it up but okay). It was NOT in reference to the comment above that I left, and I wasn't running away, but rather was trying to keep the peace because everyone here knows me and knows that I am not one to instigate. I don't want trouble.</p>

<p>I will PM Live and be sure he knows about this but that is the situation, you can go see if you wish, but it is solved now and it is pretty clear that it was just a misunderstanding and I have (I think) proven to the Cornell faithful that I truly do research suicide.</p>

<p>it is very easy to switch college within Cornell. Some changes are easier than other, for instance i couldnt just go into the arch. program without a complete portfolio review, etc. However, i could easily go from arch. to arts and sciences or ilr to arts and sciences. Admissions to schools like ilr or hotel aren't any easier. Technically the hotel schools has lower gpa and SAT averages, but that's because the school thrives on those who already have significant experience in the hospitatlity business or restaurant field. The same goes for ilr, the admissions staff looks for students who clearly have interest in the field and admit only those who have (which explains why ilr has a yield rate of over 70%). There has been much discussion about which school at cornell is the 'easiest' to get into and there has never been a clear cut answer. A student who can get into engineering will mostly likely not get into ilr unless they demonstrate the interest needed to gain admission. As long as a human ecology has taken 3 arts and sciences classes and done reasonably well in them, they can transfer with just a signature or two. Besides, it's not like Cornell students are confined only to their one college, ilr students can take half their courses in engineering or arts and sciences and still graduate with the ilr degree. </p>

<p>"Cornell's CAS and engineering are probably "better" than ND, while ND is better than the other 5 schools at Cornell"</p>

<p>hotel, ilr, arch., humec, and the ag school are all either #1 (ilr, hotel, arch for sure) in their fields or top-10. </p>

<p>The only schools at Cornell that aren't in the top 5 or so are arts and sciences and engineering (though they are pretty damn close). I'll still agree with the former part of your statement, though.</p>

<p>is cornell's A and S really that much better that ND A and L. I think Cornell is a bit better, but not by much. Thoughts?</p>

<p>Are you serious????? Academically, Cornell is in a whole different league.</p>

<p>Go to Cornell!</p>

<p>it would be nice to see other opinions besides someone from the NE, where ivy-league schools substitute as gods.</p>

<p>I really don't have an opinion. But I'm wondering how all of these Cornell people end up on the Notre Dame board?</p>

<p>Don't pay any attention to Milkmagn-he's obviously just one of those that like to start trouble. (has posted negative ND things on a few threads) </p>

<p>Daughter looked at both ND and Cornell. She liked both, but felt that Cornell seemed less personal, and a little more "state school-ish". This is not to say that it is not a good school-no doubt, it is. This was just her feeling after being there. She ultimately chose ND and is very happy.</p>

<p>that's why im choosing nd as well irish cali.</p>